If you were a top player in the FGC

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Ok I normally wouldn’t reply here, but I feel I must say this…

All this Valle hating has to stop. This man is a LEGEND (like it or not) in the Street Fighter community and has been for a VERY long time. It’s unfortunate how many SRK’rs weren’t around during the golden years ( TWW - Hyper Fighting) of street fighter and didn’t get to see the rise of Valle and crew first hand like I did. The mans name was plastered in every Magazine that had any decent coverage of tourneys in the cali area. He and a few others were mainstays in the SF scene for YEARS. I can remember first hand being at the SH Golfland in mid 97 for the SF3: New Generation tourney and watched in awe as Valle ( Ken. if i remember right) fought Jeff Schaeffer (using Necro). Valle was down to almost ZERO health, and at the last minute schaeffer launched a magnetic storm super to finish Valle off. Unfortunately for big daddy, Valle parried the whole damn thing and took him out in a matter of seconds. My jaw literally hit the fucking floor.

Valle did the Daigo parry YEARS before Daigo did. That moment stands out in my mind as the best “moment” no one knows about.

My point is, the man has done A LOT for the scene already, and being so, maybe people shouldn’t be so uptight if he said something to offend someone.

Again, back in the early-mid 90’s, pretty much EVERYONE (with the sole exception of maybe Tomo) talked shit, and even if tempers did flare up, getting butthurt about it was REALLY looked down upon.

So I say cut the guy some slack as he’s done more for the community than most of us ever will.

/rant

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^^^ haha, i do recall a few times in the arcade as a kid i would get my ass handed to me on alpha 2, and just when i was about to walk off the other player said “you done already?” and i came up with a shitty excuse with “im out of quarters…” he replied with “MAN, i heard all that change in your pocket! why you running?” embarrassed i went back and lost my last dollar playin him. it was fun, but i was trying to stretch that dollar out till sunday (which is when i got another 2 bucks). he wasnt really talking shit, but he smelled that fear in me hahaha. i miss the 90s

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If I had the resources I would get a venue and do the same things for which is done with a normal tournament, except people come for the entire weekend and play each other non-stop, exchange info, tactics, and knowledge. maybe invite top players and have some of the entry fee split up to those who showed up and were able to teach people something about a specific character they play and others want to learn from.

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There was an event back in 97/98 that united Norcal/SoCal and other regions called Tragic: The Gathering hosted by Ben Cureton(Tragic).
Just like you described, a weekend of gamers in a house just playing video games.
We would play all sorts of games from the latest SF,Golden Eye, and bomberman to name a few.
This gathering IMO was one of the best community events that brought gamers together from many regions and until this day are still friends!
Who would’ve thought some of those guys were gonna be future champions =)

Thank you again Ben Cureton for the great times!

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Just keep doing what you do. We need that type of atmosphere here in the DC area. On the top player thing if I was a top player I would hold sessions on a one day there will be pro level players there and on the next intermediate. What I would do if I was you. I would go over to the beginners or whatever station and observe them and after they are finished offer tips on how to up their games. You really don’t have to play them to help them.

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Thanks for the suggestions,

I think emulating an arcade environment is important because you want all skill levels present.

People learn by different ways so you have to be careful on what you teach.
Here are the 3 types:
Visible - some guys watch
Physical - some guys need to touch and execute
Listen/Read - self explanatory (data,frames,FAQs)

At the arcade there’s a lot thats going on that you don’t realize unless you really think about it.

Motivation triggers is what I call them:
Examples,
Some new guy you might not like cause he does something better than you.
A cocky guy that is all talk.
King of the machine.
Creating goals off tokens (I only want to spend 4 tokens today)

If the environment is just casual:
What motivations besides the obvious do you have?
You can teach someone going through the motions all you want, but you have no true purpose besides beating your opponent.
IMO thats not enough.

Hopefully I’ll think of ways to bring back motivation triggers.
Thanks again

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Valle: I actually started to use the “I only want to spend X amount” motivational trigger when I was coming back to the scene in 2009. Wasn’t a result of me being a miser, but the fact that I didn’t have too much to really spend and play. As a result, I realized that I really was spending less when I was playing. Started at $10, and eventually, it dwindled down to about $2 or $3 used at the arcade to play. Now, everyone’s getting better, so I’m averaging about $5 per trip. Which isn’t bad in itself, either!

I also remember trying to motivate my friends to become better at 3S, back when Anniversary Collection came out and we had access to the game. Honestly, for those that try to get others to play, you can’t accept the whole “Oh, I’m just playing for fun” response. We all play for fun too. But if you have fun with something, why not learn more about it, in the event that, maybe, just maybe, you might discover even more worlds of fun by learning about your hobby/craft? Even today, I still try and get people to play 3S (and to a lesser extent, SF4), simply because there’s a lot to learn from it.

Just giving examples to add on to what you’ve already given us, Valle!

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Thanks for that Mr.Rockstar,

Maybe I can ask the players what they want out of Street Fighter or the Fighting Game Community.

Some people just play very well together. No homo. =)

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If I were a top level player, I’d write a comprehensive guide on my main. I’d first focus on strengths weaknesses and playstyle. THen I’d write up a guide for each specific matchup. I’d edit it a lot and not only post it on this forums but distribute it in PDF format as much as I could through the internet to spread good information. Only way to level up is to spread knowledge.

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That’s what is needed more than ever now! I wish I could have been there in such an event like that, things like that is all some people need for inspiration to get better. Be cool to get the whole nation involved since we know the obvious is that players are too spread out or divided in many regions.So many resources available to the community now days, be good to take advantage of all of it and make some noise the whole world could hear, possibly get even more new comers in as well.

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I don’t know Valle personally, but I have interacted with him a few times. The interaction that stands out for me was at the denjin west coast regionals when we both went for the same seat at the same time and the dude just gave it to me. For me, that showed that as a top player he wasn’t going to do any kinda “that seat mine scrub! I’m Alex Valle!!” bullshit. Any kind of division between the top and bottom players besides where they place on a tournament bracket is bullshit.

That said, I have to disagree with a bit of what hes saying here. I don’t think shunning unskilled players is a good way to induce training. Yeah, they may become better and grow up to be an amazing player, but they might also inherit the borderline abuse behavior of looking down on others (who do we thank for starting this? Watson? Tomo? Schaffer?). Reminds me of when parents beat the shit out of their kids to do better in life and then when they grow up they do the same to their kids. On a side note, I lived in Japan for a year and saw NONE of this in the game centers.

Basically, I’m saying that not only is looking down on poor players silly, but also detrimental to the community and unproductive.

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Valle, what you said to that chef guy(even though he is a pussy for not even playing the ban match) was way too over the top. went far past being a tough teacher to make him want to get better, after saying something like that the other person should not ever want to go back there. I’m glad I never have to see you again? You get owned 100000% free? You said this to make him get better?

Not taking his side, just pointing it out.

An idea for improving the trickle of knowledge down the competitive ladder would be to have the players you personally(valle) are spending a lot of time on go and play at a lower station. This way they could train those not quite at their level, but not so far behind as to be completely pointless to play against, which is how far they are from you. That’s kind of what happens in my scene. The unquestionable best plays all the higher skilled players and not so much all the scrubs, but that is alright because the higher level players do play the newbies. Scrubs learn from them how to get better and improve and don’t get annihilated like they would if they played our best player, floe, who definitely does offer advice but he can’t spend all his time playing the newbies, while the numerous higher-skill level players can since theres only one “best” and everyone else is “worse.”

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To rush down and FPStud:

Thank you for your thoughts,

These issues have already been addressed.

My attitude is for winning no matter what it takes.

That’s what my training sessions are for.

The business of winning.

Watts/Shaeffer are great teachers. So are other NFL, NBA, MLB coaches - you don’t see them sprinkling fairy juice in their training regimens.

I’m training all aspects of Street Fighter people.

50% Physical
50% Mental

If you can’t do it, then I’m sorry I can’t train you.

Rotendo said it best:
Son, seriously. Stop right fucking there… and STOP FUCKING POSTING! You just lost the respect of everyone with that one post. To ‘NOT CARE’ is a big fucking deal. If that is the case, you don’t belong in this community. Personally, I don’t hate you or any bull shit like that. Its your attitude… your losing attitude. You’re a loser… a quitter. Sorry, bro. I’ve trained the best of the best in the armed services and there is no ‘losing or quitting allowed’. (If they did, people die) Sure, I had a few people not up to the task, but with the proper motivation and training, I got them to where they wanted to be. Keyword: wanted. If you want to achieve something, anything, you’ll do everything possible to achieve it. You got to hustle to get what you want in life because not a damn person out there is going to give it to you for free.

Take from this as you see fit. Take from what James just posted. Take from all the flame and negative comments on here (that you brought onto yourself) and use it as motivation to get back in good graces with Valle and the rest of the community. Everyone fucks up, but you have to learn to bounce back from it and not let it affect you.

I don’t even want to get started with the ‘maturity’ comment. Just read all of your posts. Kind of being contradicting are we? Anyway, I don’t know if watch TV or sports, but I can name a lot of celebrities with bad attitudes and that are immature yet they keep making movies and athletes keep getting sponsored. Ex: Emmit Smith… enough said

Carry on…

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I’m not in the area for the SHGL ban matches but as an outsider looking in, this is an awesome idea.

For those that are able to participate and for those that are making this happen. good for them.

Just wondering though, where do these events take place? In someone’s house or at an arcade?

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These events take place in someones house/garage.

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I’d talk shit to bitch ass clowns and no-name scrubs.

That’s what a true top player in the FGC would do.

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alex. I really think you guys should totally write up a training regimen tutorial for the srk front page. I know you guys have the posts that explains. but maybe a something a little more concrete and detailed, and get it on srk frontpage. I really like where you guys and the san diego crew are taking this. I think it will be a fantastic idea to get this idea out to everyone and everyones scene can incorporate it(i am going to attempt to try it here in AZ).

love this shit

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If I were a top player I don’t think I’d be doing half of what calipower or gootecks are doing for the community. I can’t think of anything that hasn’t been said.

As someone who’s leveling up, I don’t know if my thoughts add up to 2c but here it goes… There’s casuals and there’s serious grinding and right now wed night fights/RTSD are the only open serious grinding that goes on (console anyway, arcades are always real) in LA area. I gotta say that even though I haven’t gone yet (for pre-existing obligations on wed nights) I really appreciate what you do and how you do it. The mentality may come off as elitist but without that attitude you don’t breed champions.

Chef, I know we’re cool and all but…you really gotta cop a less defeatist attitude. That’s the nicest way I can put it.

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One idea I just had, thinking about an atmosphere where there are a lot of top players playing alongside intermediate players. Depending on the amount of machines in play, there will always be some top players waiting to get in on a game. How about, as a way to motivate top players to stay in, as well as pass knowledge on, when a top player loses x number of matches at a station, they have to find one player at an intermediate/beginner station and coach them through one complete match, with a talk after about any patterns or weak areas that they noticed? Once they’ve done one coaching session, they can come back to the top players area and challenge someone again.