if I were a top player I’d probably have a better job that allows me to actually goto tournaments, and not having to work every single weekend…
As it stands I’d continue to make combovideos, and since I’m a top player I’d be playing more matches so I’d end up recording more and more match videos.
A hard nosed coaching style can certainly be effective, but I would not say that it is a requirement for all high level coaching. I’m not saying you should change your style, but there is room for variety in the scene IMO.
He won titles as a player and a coach, and the coach that inherited his team is enjoying a near perfect season… not bad!
Emmitt Smith was released by both the NFL Network and most recently ESPN, does not work for any NFL team IIRC. and I think his best performance was on Dancing with the Stars… on the field he was a great component of a great team, but i’m not sure you really want to follow his post-playing career.
If the question is: What would a top player do with the top 0.1% of the scene, that are already handpicked top prospects like a 1st round NFL draft pick, that have already agreed to voluntarily dedicate a portion of their life to becoming the best at sf and winning EVO or SBO, then ok do whatever you need to do.
OTOH if we are your talking about systems that are going to apply to more general group of players, then there has to be a broader mentality imo.
i dunno ban matches sound awesome to me
in fact I would start implementing them around here if my local scene wasn’t so small that if i started banning we’d run out of people
I would steer people away from SF4.
I got to admit, its a lot more simple where we come from. KS head boss will ask if you vouch for the person you are trying to bring to a session, if you vouch that they are good or trying to get good or it has historically been proven that you are already good then it’s a non issue. We trust that players that fall into these categories will already come into a session with determination talent and the collective idea that like people will all help in a greater achievement in skill. If you are not serious, not good or just play casually there is plenty of venues and opportunities for you to create your own sessions, we basically let nature take it’s place and have faith that good ol grit and determination, rivalries, shit talk will bring the best out of us.
You want to best replicate the arcade experience then imposing rules, restrictions and punishment don’t need to be necessary. Think seriously, how many of the below average players you tinker with now will become good? Now think, how many of those same players would of gotten good on thier own accord? Lets be honest, the number will be strikingly similar…I guarantee it
so is this just basically all about street fighter 4?
Play everyone, give advice, win win win.
Since you’re in a big scene (Street Fighter), there’s really not much else you can do as a top player.
It doesn’t quite have to be. The fighting game community is just that. “Fighting games”.
Which also reminds me. Players need to learn how to be mature. New players must remember that no option in the game is unbeatable. There is always a way to win. And if that means choosing a different character, so be it. Either choose someone else, or learn how to beat that character by solidifying your game with your current character. If that means losing 100 bouts with Abel just so you can learn how to fight against Akuma or Sagat, then so be it. If that means losing 100 bouts against Chun so you’ll learn what to do/not to do with Alex, so be it.
If I were a top player in the FGCI would basically be using my notoriety to do the same things Gootecks does. I would also try to do something like the Valle meets. There is really not a lot much I can say since a lot of wonderful ideas have already been expressed.
Have you been reading my diary?
Quoted because it bears repeating :tup:
Another thing I’d do is try to bring other top players in other games together to open people up to more than just one game. Say one person enjoys fighters, but doesn’t particularly like a specific one, then have them try this game or that game with someone who knows it better than I do. It’d be sort of like “Hey if you aren’t likin this one, maybe you can try this one, I know the person to steer you right for it” or similar.
just watched the stream for the first time tonight, i like the fact WC has finally decided to reinvent themselves for the smaller communities to become more readily available, there is always lots of content either buried or lost in all the various fighting game sites.
Pro’s - it was nice that you tried to involve everyone in your short tutorial from beg - adv, the dial-a-og hotline is a neat idea, showing some fights are cool and crowd ruckus is cool too.
con’s - organization, i know you said its the beginning trying to work and feel it all out so it will easily improve, mic chatter and tangents are pretty annoying and make people lose focus, nothing written for people to read besides the ads, names, phone #
these are just my suggestions(i’ll apologize ahead of time if it sounds like a broken record) - its awesome that you guys are basically creating sf t.v., but like most t.v. material, it goes in one ear and out the other, i see you guys can split screen stuff, if you prep early for what your going to do, make a PowerPoint presentation to coincide your tutorial, so people can reference what your saying. Like chensor would love this for explaining frame data, especially if you follow up footsies with meaty discussion, explaining hitting with last frame of move to gain more hitstun frames for combos or blockstrings.
The phone idea is awesome, but would bring it to another level is if you set up calls throughout the week and just record the questions and answer them live on the stream, because not everyone is going to remember their question or have one at the time of the stream, plus most people are probably watching the stream and not playing atm, I think this would greatly help people who know about the line find a problem and can immediately call the line, so instead of screening calls and waiting for a good one, you can answer way more questions this way and get more info out there.
Mike ross vs. Combofiend fight announcer, BRING THAT SHIT ON! seriously, if you watch soccer they have what’s called fanzone on FSC, schedule some fights but have their boys each with a mic cheerin them on, or stop the grind session going on for like 3 fights to build some atmosphere for some matches. I understand you want to educate which is great, but make it entertaining as well, because at times during the first to 5 matches, i could have cared less because no one else in the garage cared. So if the announcers don’t even pay attention to it why would the viewers, same deal like in college basketball when dicky V goes on some tangent about UNC or duke and they aren’t even playing the game your watching.
Prep, i don’t know how your deal with gyt or justin.tv works, but log in ten minutes ahead of time, test your feed, so you don’t have the double and triple takes, that goes along with just everything else, don’t search for words, know that stuff ahead of time exactly how you want to say it, its just simply organization and prep. Just like you all prep for tournies and games, muscle memory to build reflexes, build mental memory of how you will present.
this is simply list of topics for tutorials for new people -
Meaties
Do invincibility frames exist
Priority
shortcuts, like plinking, but go into more like cammy’s insta dive kick style stuff, or better challenge people to find their own shortcuts, but open their minds to it
inventiveness
beginner stuff, 2-1’s, hell even explaining canceling
rob, the soapbox
P.s. Good shit
What people need is an online resource to learn from, and reading through threads on srk isn’t an easy way to do it. There’s too much misinformation and flaming.
What we need is a dedicated youtube channel with a select number of ‘sponsored players’ and a section of this site dedicated to showcasing it. The youtube channel would work in the same way as http://www.personagaming.com/blog/ or Machinima’s channel. I watch these channels for call of duty match commentaries. The format they follow is to upload videos that are ten minutes long commentate over the video breaking down their strats for the maps and explaining what and why they’re doing whatever is happening on screen. Sometimes they do dual commentaries and little features like ‘top five moments of the week’ submitted by the subscribers. Watch any wingsofredemption mw2 vids (he’s also part of persona gaming) to see how great a method this is for getting a game and its community exposure. My mw2 game has improved vastly because of those 2 channels.
This would work for fighting games you could have 2-3 matches played in 10 minutes, the matches would be carefully selected to showcase high level matchup tendancies which the commentator/s would discuss how to avoid and beat, strats to impose on your opponent and everything useful to know. Recently people in the cammy and blanka forums complained that they had trouble with the matchup so i made a video to walk them through it, with commentary. Now i’ve not ever commentated on matches before, i didn’t have my tripod and since mw2 came out i haven’t played sfiv so excuse the sloppy play but here was my first effort. [media=youtube]Vcv9wpzqQ_M[/media] I also dont know the matchup so the content may not be 100% accurate but you get the idea.
The channel would undoubtedly get thousands of subs, and with youtube partnership you’d get money generated which would be used to purchse video capture hardware/software for contributors on a ‘contribution = reward’ basis. It’s NOT designed to be a profitable scheme for one person who organises it but instead any monies made are put back into the channel to improve the quality of videos produced. Donations made by subs would all be public and redistributed publicly to contributors to the channel in order to acquire direct capture hardware/software etc and subs can see how and where their money is being spent.
wow great post and great idea dude , definately think this has potential
What The Mullah said is a great idea. Machinima’s channel has a load of subscribers and it really does help out the MW2 community. If we had a similar type of YT channel, I think it’ll really help a lot of players get better, we could even see better players on XBL and PSN.
lol yeah. I’m with you right here. I don’t know what’s so great about being a top player in games, but these dolts used to treat that shit like its their dick sizes.
Share strats. This is not 1991, hoarding strats will not get you far, and it can only kill the game in your area. Don’t need to be a jerk while doing that either. Lets say, when you’re learning some sports, I donno, fishing or something, would you be fukken interested if your questions get ignored all the time? It’s the same with fighters. After certain level of skill, it’s all about the strategy anyway, not excution.
Be a decent person, you’ll have decent friends. This is a common sense. I’ve quit 3rd Strike because in SoCal and in Hawaii where I lived for a long time, the vast majority of that game players are either assholes or high on weed in public all the time. Oh and don’t use your little scene fame to make money off fans. Luckily I wasn’t part of it when it happened, but I remember, say, Duc Do.
Hold gathering in public areas if you can. It’s much easier - and effective - to find a Holiday Inn or a Internet Cafe, than some dude’s home in Bumfuck, Nowhere. If the thing was a regular kind of deal, you know, same place same time every such and such days, participants don’t have to research so much. It doesn’t even have to be offline, you can just put someone in charge and hold matches/competitions in certain streaming channel.
I just read that selective match deal suggested by Mullah and I don’t really agree with it. That’s what the SoCal EFZ has been doing(what little amount of members that’s not left the game for Touhou anyway), it hasn’t gone anywhere. I say let the players decide what is a good game and what is not. Holding footage is not an effective way to do it, especially if you’re promoting a minor game. Instead, putting out as much exposure as possible is the way to go, like how the EC Arcana Heart guys did it.
#2 I’ve addressed before. different people respond to diff behaviors. acting like a dick to one guy ruins it for him; acting like a nice guy to another ruins it for him. so do whatever it is you do. luckily I can pull off nice guy and asshole at the same time.
what would be more appropriate is teaching people how to create strategy and how to notice & disect one, especially midgame
If someone is getting pissed off for someone else being nice to him, the dude’s either fucked up in head or the other dude is a creep. In which case, one of the two sides fucked up. No matter what.
I do agree with learning how to find the strats on own. That really helps.
I didn’t mean that it’d piss someone off, I meant that they’d react negatively. like people who say chess’s for nerds, I think the main reason is because a chess player wins and then it’s like “Good game”. no one’s going “Haha you dumb FUCK anybody coulda seen that I was trying to set that up 10 moves ago, you suck dude” so it’s like why bother, they’re not exciting
To FatalFuryD:
You’re right this isn’t the 90s anymore, look around, nobody hoards strats anymore. When SF4 came out, all sorts of techniques were displayed on youtube/forums/etc.
Being a decent person is in the eye of the beholder, omfg said it best:
“different people respond to diff behaviors. acting like a dick to one guy ruins it for him; acting like a nice guy to another ruins it for him. so do whatever it is you do. luckily I can pull off nice guy and asshole at the same time.”
Thank you for that, this is very much needed I agree.
To mullah and blackstarninja:
This is what I’m working on for Weds Night Fights just in case you missed it:
Alex Valle Beginner,Intermediate,Advanced Tutorial - Introduction
Suggestions/Feedback welcomed!