I’ll give you that, I’m not the best teacher in the world. People do learn differently. However, I had a strict training regimen that he knew about. He had to qualify to play in the expert’s station. As the mentor, I have to follow my own policies.
If you haven’t noticed since Feb. SF4 is a COMPETITIVE GAME.
Are you a casual gamer?
shut yo pie hole and go make me a sammich.
PS: you suck at fighting games never play.
No I am not. I go to tourneys.
My point is this… You are ALEX VALLE. Play the young lad… even if its at the intermediate section… whatever. Just play him once. Even if he doesnt learn. You cant go around putting down students. Re-arrange your words to mean the same thing but sound diffrent and more sensei like. You get my point?
I… DONT… CARE
Much respect sir…
I think what you and SHGL have done spawned many other great gatherings that i have attended such as UTGL’S sundays and Destructive(Fuller)'s pad in the Valley. The next phase of leveling up the community, I would think is the direction u guys are taking it. Which is having each station be a character specific station… I.E. Station A Ryu and have players fight your Ryu. After the match give them input on what there doing good, what needs work… and strats on how their character can beat Ryu. Far as the shit talking and such it’s all in good fun and supposed to be used as a motivator so im def not mad at that kind of shit talking… just don’t get in people’s face where they decide to cheap shot ya. Can’t wait for what you guys come up with this year.
Peace!
So far I’ve been successful in restructuring the So.Cali SF scene by region.
I’ve created events like the Specialists to expose So.Cali’s top players to foreign regions they would never travel to unless there’s a huge tournament.
It’s funny how YOU are the only one complaining about my methods out of the 30 specialists I’ve invited to play against each other.
For 2010 I have much bigger plans, and I felt I needed to post this thread for suggestions from our creative SRK community.
wonder chef you need to give it a rest like all of those people said back in shgl’s thread. you didnt play your banmatch, but you instead decided to forfeit… you took shit for it for good reason.
i didnt go to the ban meetings cause i saw it as a “tournament” and i did not want to enter a toutnament… i knew i wasnt strong enough. its why i didnt enter ugtl.
if people want to tell me that i bitched out, thats fine. i had other reasons like work and well other excuses as well, that are real.
point being that if i got called out on it i would just put up a “whatever” and be done with it. you cant let people get under your skin, cause if they find that they can, you can bet that they are just going to ride your ass.
its true in any facet of life. just admit to it, practice, and move on. if you get better, then no one can take your skill away from you. you will get respect cause you earned it.
i’ve played alex MANY times and honestly its a waste of BOTH of our times cause he doesnt get challenged and i dont learn a whole lot.
dont take it personally, i’m the same way when playing against people that dont give me a challenge… they really arent worth the time at that point. prove yourself by becoming better.
whawhat is an excellent example of a player that had to prove himself MANY times before he was a regular at station a… i cant remember exactly, but i think he had to move up from intermediate to station a, 5 weeks in a row before he no longer had to play against the intermediates like me and you. he was even beating alex in casuals at some points and STILL had to go to the intermediate stations.
thats alot of work to prove yourself, and not once did he complain.
i’ve NEVER asked alex to play against me, NEVER. we’ve played cause i was in the rotation at the arcade or some get together.
he doesnt even like playing me, i can tell, it makes me feel like shit that i cant even give him a good game. but thats JUST HOW IT IS.
so stop crying, your not being singled out nor are you the first to come under heat for doing something stupid. case in point, i’ll probably get shit for this post… and i’ll be like w/e.
to alex:
man you’ve been more accessible than ever before so honestly if you just kept doing what you’ve been doing it would be WAY more than alot of top players do.
and i wanna say thank you… however since you asked:
there have been alot of good suggestions, but i really think that pherai nailed it, you should try to talk about some of the more abstract components to getting better such as reading the opponent, learning in game, ways to think, things to look for, things NOT to look for…
for instance my reading of an opponent generally consists of obvious things like if they repeat a sequence of moves or if they obviously get overly defensive or offensive.
it would be cool to hear your take on that. also something like what sabin did in his gootecks interview: i listened to the interview first, then watched the matches… this gave me ALOT of insight onto why sabin didnt AA daigo at key moments, and it also let me see the metagame of sims forward slide under fireballs.
if i hadnt listenend to that interview though i would have just thought that the slide was some sort of mixup or that sabin was just reacting badly to the jump in attempts.
if you could annotate some of your matches like that it would be a GREAT insight into your mind/way of thinking. you kno, like why you did this, and why you DIDNT do that and whatnot.
some questions that i’ve had for a very long time that you dont have to answer about advice you’ve given me:
you talk about “what buttons the other player likes to press” i get this, but i still am confused as to how/what exactly you’re looking for… i mean i know right off the bat that most ryus are going to press crouch forward all day long… but i dont really know how to take advantage of that… cause its hard as fuck to wiff punish.
once at super along time ago i told you that i was having problems landing ryus crossup, to which you replied: “well you gotta make sure that they are scared of your low roundhouse first”
at the time i said o ok, but yeah, i STILL have no idea what you were talking about… usually when i get advice that i think is good but dont understand, i’ll just nod my head and try to figure it out later…
those are just examples of what goes through an intermediate players head when your talking.
tl;dr (for most of you)
beat someone down then tell them why they lost, or ask them if they want some advice.
give commentary on some of your videos so that the lesser folk can start to understand the more abstract principles in fighting games from a top players perspective.
srry for the long ass post guys.
oh yeah… I’M A SCRUB!
-dime
Alex Valle has an ego?
Sanford Kelly plays scrubs. He’s played me and my friends online to help us get better. Even in the lag…
But Valle… I think he has a good heart, but he isnt as nice as Sanford.
I registered on SRK just to say that.
No, the difference is that if an opponent didn’t show me common courtesy, I could still fight him, give it my all, and learn something.
What happened is like your opponent not only not showing you common courtesy, but trash talking you, then not playing you.
You said you’ve had many good teachers who’ve talked down to you, that’s fine, but did they at least teach you anything? Did your teachers say “Oh, you suck so hard, come back when you don’t then I’ll teach you!”
Also Valle, you say that you never invited me to your sessions at SHGLBMX’s, but to be fair it was an open invite event. If you open an event to the public, you’re obliged to deal with the people who come. If you only want the best of the best coming, make the event invite only.
Do you think community college students are allowed to study in Harvard without passing tests?
And about my methods?
I can talk however the fuck I want to =)
Ask the majority of players that know me IRL, I take SF very seriously. However, I don’t have to make friends with acquaintances just because they play SF with me.
And this Sensei shit? lol if you do something wrong in a martial arts class OMG your ass gonna get beatdown IRL by the Sensei.
Didn’t you make this thread asking for advice on how to help the community?
Now when someone posts what they think, you’re going to insult them for it.
Why even make the thread?
Alright Valle, you can teach how you want to , talk how you want to… you arent trying to make friends…
Good for you. Hopefully there are some top players who are different.
I would try and hold some local gatherings and if i was given the chance try and get video games on terms of sports. I remember a couple of tournaments being on TV Halo, Dead or Alive, and Counterstrike, but that ended a long while ago. It was gone quick.
My teachers taught me how to win and win consistently.
They don’t have to tell me good shit ever, the results speak for themselves.
I’m sure if they didn’t see potential in me, they wouldn’t waste their time.
I understand this is an OPEN invitation, but there are rules and regulations because this is SHGL’S HOUSE and MY TIME!
If you come to MY TRAINING session you deal with OUR RULES (they are posted)
You took advantage of a great system and you still bite the hand that feeds you.
I’m still moving forward :wgrin:
So why don’t you openly say that if people don’t have talent and potential, they shouldn’t bother coming? It clearly isn’t about how hard you work to get better, because you saw me at every possible meetup and every possible tournament for months before I got banned.
I didn’t take advantage of anything, and how am I biting the hand that feeds when you haven’t done ANYTHING for me.
Is Ricky Ortiz your teacher Valle? Cause he rushed that shit down last stream I saw. How can I get in contact with him? I want the best of the best.
I understand your logic with the whole intermediate and expert station. I think the only problem with that, is that not everyone takes things in the same way. So while talking trash to some people would motivate them to get better, another group of people would benefit from compliments or constructive criticism instead.
Just as an example, whenever we used to play CvS2 on Xbox Live sometimes you’d post up and give a small compliment. You probably thought of it as nothing, but compliments like that were what kept me going.
My 2 cents. I know you’re trying to help the community more and I’m sure everyone can appreciate that, regardless of how you go about it.
You’re the one with the bad attitude forfeiting matches, and making excuses like “I’m having a bad day.” Valle is leading by example. Not all teachers spoon feed you knowledge. Here is the fucking tough lesson : the knowledge only Valle or someone at his level has to offer any of us means nothing to you. You don’t need to go to a Calculus professor to learn long division. I don’t know if you’re a new guy to the scene or not, but coming to terms with your rank in the SF scene is always a hard pill to swallow, and if you’re fighting to stay alive at SHGL’s pad, it sounds like you’re rank is really low.
Valle, have you placed in SF4 outside of locals? This isn’t a flame, I’m just curious since you said the results speak for themselves.
Alex sounds like Ken Shamrock. That is both a good and a bad thing.
One thing I’d like to hear from top players more often is a reminder that even though we take SF very seriously it is at it’s heart still just a recreational activity. We play it “for fun”. The fun of serious competition and mental and physical challenges. If you really aren’t having any fun at all then you’re missing the point.
I’ve lost a few friends who played SF because the became disheartened of the eternal struggle for higher and higher skill levels. I don’t believe in survival of the fittest, I do miss my old school SF pals.
I think many times the motivation of “gotta get better, gotta get better, gotta get better” gets in the way of just enjoying our current skill level with our friends. In many times I’ve played in recent years it seems like the shadow of top players hangs over the group, and the direct competition between local players is somehow diminished by knowledge that we are all somehow “doing it wrong” by not playing on a world class level. Even when they win a match there is no joy because they didn’t do X top level technique, or X player would have done it better, or they won because of XvX match-up.
Shoot. I respect the way Valle rolls if that’s how he does things. I see where he’s comming from.
Remember when SF2 just came out, or not just SF2, but new fighting games in the 90s? NO ONE would tell you simple ass things like how to do a fireball or shoryuken, and some would even tell you wrong information just so they have an extra win on their screen. Yeah, you had to fend for yourself back then. You had to pick your ass up with your bootstraps and you had to have balls to put another quarter in. NO ONE told you how to do anything, I think you were lucky to even find out information even from your friends.
Then cross ups were discovered. No one told you how to block that shit. You had to think creatively, and for yourself in order to survive the arcade.
You’re comming from an old school mindset CaliPower. You have to understand that many of the sf4 guys come from a totally different background: the console background. While I understand that your tough sensei approach is there to make want your students to pick their asses up from their own bootstraps and to think creatively for themselves (because only your ass is their to help yoruself when you get on the sticks, of course this trait is important), and as a dude who is practical and straightforward, I sometimes hold back what I have to say to folks and fluff up my talk. You can still be straightforward while fluffing up your message just a little.
I understand it’s not your style, but it’s just a thought from a lowly scrub. Note that I am not saying your way is wrong, I actually agree with the way you roll 100%. Why spoon feed stuff that you can learn on your own by sitting back or through training mode?