If you hate on Viscant for picking Phoenix, you're a scrub

[The_Damned]

(Ugh. This damn computer. I swear.)

I never understood why people who were vehemently against a thread post in just to say it should be closed when that only keeps it alive longer. That seems so exceedingly backwards; then again, I guess that’s par for the course when it comes to humanity.

No, no, there’s a misunderstanding here.

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That’s exactly my point.

Oh, okay. I see. I kinda thought that’s what you were getting at, but it was worded too vaguely for me.

I can mostly agree, especially since I concur that it seems rather obvious that you should know how to deal with the most basic things everyone has, no matter how “low tier”. I’m just a little hesitant to agree completely for a couple of reasons, one of them being that this game won’t ever really get a proper tier list (beyond the obviously really good characters) since those take at least a year (IMO) and MvC3 dies half-way through next month, a mere 9 months after its release.

If you watch the Filipino Champ vs. Honzo Gonzo finals…it’s pretty obvious that XF3 lasts short enough where his XF3 was gone by the time the 2nd character died. If he had had t okill a 3rd character to win the match he would have to do it without XF. Like you said though…what I’ve heard is that everyone will now have different TIMES for XF. Supposedly all of the strength and speed buffs have been normalized but now the new thing that keeps everyone diverse is that different characters have different XF LENGTHS. Some characters can literally stay in XF longer than others and apparently Dark Phoenix is one of the characters with a shorter XF duration. I guess we’ll have to wait for the strategy guide to come out to see exactly how it works but yeah.

Which finals are talking about, exactly?

Anyway, I hadn’t heard about this at all. I’m really not sure what to think about it either. On the one hand, it sort of makes sense for the more immobile characters to have longer X-Factors and the more mobile characters to have shorter ones (assuming that’s how it’s going to, which it may very well not). On the other hand, it seems really bizarre (again) to normalize (and thus largely weaken) X-Factor across the board and then go out of your way to make character specific stuff relating to it again.

Meh.

I guess this means that Hsien-ko will get 99 seconds of X-Factor 3 then. Good for her.

[DevilJin_01]

The XF duration for Dark Phoenix definitely looks shorter. I can’t really say for sure if it looks shorter than other characters ATM but in MVC3 she definitely would have had a good bit of time left by the time the last character died there. I’ll just kinda wait till Ultimate comes out to really see but anything to make XF3 DP less annoying is cool.

[The_Damned]

(Yay, someone who can properly timestamp. I <3 you.)

Oh, that tournament. I completely forgot to look at those videos for a couple of reasons. Thanks for the reminder, even if I do not need to get distracted by something else for literally hours.

Hmm…I see. It’s difficult to tell, especially since X-Factor didn’t run out completely before that match ended, but yeah, it seemed to be draining faster than normal. It’s difficult to tell if that’s Phoenix specific, though, or just some illusion of the weird life-bar change that I’m still so not used to. (I still can’t understand why they changed that.)

[Din0]

This topic is probably more suited for GameFAQs.

As far as I can tell, not that many people hate on Viscant aside from the stream monsters who blew up SRK right after EVO. I am surprised no other top player runs his team though, if its OMFGSOBROKENOMFG.

Plus, he’s a nice dude.

[bigdaddy4]

As far as I can tell, not that many people hate on Viscant aside from the stream monsters who blew up SRK right after EVO. I am surprised no other top player runs his team though, if its OMFGSOBROKENOMFG.

Cause Phoenix is omgbrokenopnoskill who still rock low tier and then bitch when they lose.

[WorstPlayer]

as someone who loves food and cooking as much as video games i have to say that burger analogy was horrible.

You’re a bit late in the game, aren’t you? Then again between sopping the plate and trying to beat Asteroids who has time to read the forums?

[Preppy]

The XF duration for Dark Phoenix definitely looks shorter. I can’t really say for sure if it looks shorter than other characters ATM but in MVC3 she definitely would have had a good bit of time left by the time the last character died there.

Seth mentions in the Ultimate Norcal vs Capcom 3 stream/footage that X-Factor lasts different durations for different characters. So that would be logical.

[Shin-Ron]

You’re a bit late in the game, aren’t you? Then again between sopping the plate and trying to beat Asteroids who has time to read the forums?

cooking =/= eating, and dark phoenix destroyed all the asteroids already so what chance do i have, really?

[DrewGrimey]

If you think your good after winning with Phoenix, you’re a scrub.

Let’s see how Viscant, Noel and all the other “top tier” fighters do when UMvC3 comes out before we call anybody a scrub

[Shin-Ron]

alot of people used phoenix and didnt do nearly as well has viscant… not to mention that his wesker/haggar put alot of work in as well. and im sure 99% of people who act like phoenix is an auto win couldnt beat anyone in the top 8 at evo with 3 phoenixes and 15 bars.

[Alidfe]

If you think your good after winning with Phoenix, you’re a scrub.

You sound damn salty here.

Good, bad, what do any of these platitudes actually mean if at the end of the day I have a trophy and fight money and you don’t? Don’t try to hide behind shit like that.

[DrewGrimey]

You sound damn salty here.

Good, bad, what do any of these platitudes actually mean if at the end of the day I have a trophy and fight money and you don’t? Don’t try to hide behind shit like that.

This is more of a satire of the OP’s title… but, If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

It must be true if it bothers you

Doubt you have a trophy or money:nono:

[d3v]

If you think your good after winning with Phoenix, you’re a scrub.

Let’s see how Viscant, Noel and all the other “top tier” fighters do when UMvC3 comes out before we call anybody a scrub

Winning with top tier characters isn’t scrubby because it’s Playing to Win, something which is decidedly not scrubby because scrubs don’t play to win.

[Hecatom]

btw i find saddening that such a good work of shin nihon pepsitou its wasted on such a scrub

[DrewGrimey]

btw i find saddening that such a good work of shin nihon pepsitou its wasted on such a scrub

U sad bro?

Winning with top tier characters isn’t scrubby because it’s Playing to Win, something which is decidedly not scrubby because scrubs don’t play to win.

lol, so your a scrub if you play a game to have fun?

That’s some logic you got there

edit: If you buy a book for $18 titled “Playing to Win”, than you’re a scrub.

[xesaie]

I really think the term ‘scrub’ should be annihilated from these discussions.

[Cillranchelllo]

Point in case: Masta CJ’s debut on the 8 on the Break stream.

Masta CJ beats Marlinpie, Stream monsters:
MASTA CJ
FUCK CHAIRS
MARLINPIE IS FREE
FREEHEI
PAD WARRIORS UNITE

Josh Wong beats Masta CJ 5 minutes later, Stream monsters:
MASTA FREEJ
PAD PLAYERS SO FRAAAAAAAAAY
EXPOSED
PAD PLAYERS GET EXPOSED

Stream monsters are very fickle creatures, and there are very few stream monsters that actually say anything constructive.
Dr. Cox said it best, Stream monsters are “Bastard coated Bastards with bastard filling.”

[8Bit]

Finally, a post that makes sense. I don’t use Phoenix, but people who complains about a character are all scrubs

[mega_buster]

viscant’s wesker/hagger combo is really good and also he has one of the best weskers Ive seen,also all he did was find some really broken and use it I mean thats kinda how mvc3 is suppose to be I respect that and I dont use phoenix

[NaokiB4U]

Finally, a post that makes sense. I don’t use Phoenix, but people who complains about a character are all scrubs

So then everyone who complained about Akuma in ST were scrubs? Just checking your logic here…

There’s nothing wrong with complaining about characters. I’m not sure why that’s so confusing. Its not like it takes away from any of the players playing or says they suck. Part of the reason these guys win tournaments and win EVO is because they are good enough players to not let the naysayers get to them. I almost feel like the fans of these players are getting hurt more than the actual players themselves.