If you had to start an arcade today, what games would you get?

No I wasn’t thinking about ripping this off if they released a official version of SSF4. Arcade SF4 is a great product. SF4 does extremely well in all of the arcades down here in So Cal. People are always playing it. In one arcade it seems like clockwork. All day everyday. From where I’m from I wouldn’t understand why Capcom wouldn’t release SSF4 for the arcade because the machine is so hot here. Arcade SSF4 would just bring all those console players out of their home. They should’ve have an upgrade for SF4 so that you could play the console characters. I don’t understand why Capcom didn’t do that. If there were console characters in the arcade today…I don’t want to think about that.

But I understand or I hear that SF4 isn’t doing well in Japan and Japan is the main reason and probably the only reason why Capcom would release coin-op SSF4. From what I hear the news is bleak. But this all could be a front. There is a lot of money to be made. At least for the ones who import it over seas to America and maybe Asia and Europe.

Questions:

How much does Arcade UFO charge for SF4? There is one place in So Cal that charges $.50 and people play it the whole day. That thing earns a lot of coins.

So if I were to buy a SF4 board today chances are I would need that board for the Super Street Fighter 4 upgrade? I know there isn’t even a version out of SSF4 but I’m guessing it would be on the same hardware and I would have to buy the original SF4 board anyway.

Man. If I owned an arcade and paid 5+ Gs for SF4 and then some asshole a mile away put in a hacked X-Box 360 my only question would be whether to call Microsoft, Capcom, or the American Amusement Machine Association first to snitch his ass out.

*Edit - Poonage you seem to know your shit. Would you say Ex-Board is a sound investment? I’d think it would be at this point, I’m actually having trouble locating anything used which leads me to believe they are pretty popular with operators. I saw Examu was selling a handful of them packaged with AH2.6 a while ago for ~100,000 yen to the general public and from what I understand they sold out pretty quickly.
Also if you have any good contacts/websites/companies you would like to share as far as getting arcade games &or kits goes I’d like to find some more good ones.

Well, funny enough a friend wants me to manage one in like Virginia with him in a year from now considering the suburbs out there have nothing to do.

… Assuming everything is paid for, I’d definately add Tekken 6 , Ikaruga and DJ MAX Technika. Top 3 that come to my mind.

Vampire Savior
Cvs2 (KEEP IT ALIVE SUNNYVALE!)
Street Fighter 4
MvC2
Tekken 6
Garou
King of Fighters 98(to um or not to um that is the question)
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core
Virtua Fighter 5
Super Turbo
JOJOS BIZARRE ADVENTURE
Rival Schools
Project Justice
Metal Slug
Strider 2 (probably my favorite game ever made)
Battle Circuit(The superior capcom beatemup in my opinion)
Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Final Fight
Strider
Cyberbots(the beatemup)
Mushihime sama
Ikaruga
Whatever the new dodonpachi is called
Death Smiles
Mars Matrix
Beatmania IIDx(newest one)
DDR(newest one)
Whatver other music games are extremely popular
Time Crisis 2,3,4
Ghost Squad
House of the dead 4
Radiant Silvergun(imagines owning a cabinet)(drools)
Puzzle Fighter
Super Bust a move
tetris grand master edition or something
Thats my dream arcade i guess. I’m not big on music games but so many others are. Gonna go buy some lottery tickets…

UFO’s SF4 is .50 for 3 rounds now, formerly was 1.00 for 5 rounds. We have six linked cabs, and it usually fills up during prime time (nights and weekends). You can’t really go lower than 50 cents unless you’re running a charity. A lot of places run tokens or use a card system to eliminate “quarter” from the currency chart.

You would need that board for the SSF4 upgrade (if it comes out). The hardware is called Taito Type X2, and is the same hardware also used for Blazblue (both versions), KOF12, Battle Fantasia, Senko no Ronde Duo, and a few other titles. You can swap the games on a system easily.

Examu originally promised a lot more games for the EX-Board, but so far it’s just Arcana and Daemon Bride. Daemon Bride is actually a good game, but it came out at a time when the fighting game market was a bit saturated and I don’t think the characters are very appealing to Japanese players, so the game didn’t perform incredibly well. For us, it was popular for a few months but then everyone wanted to go back to Arcana since AH3 is coming out soon. Whether or not it’d be a good investment really depends on if you think there would be a scene for Arcana at your location.

I’m probably going to have an extra EX-Board for sale soon, it’ll go on Trading Outlet when it’s time.

I deal mostly with:

Sophia Corp (Japan)
RS Co (Japan)
Highway Amusements (Australia)
Zax (Australia)
Coinopexpress (Hong Kong)
Excellentcom (Hong Kong)

Use Google to find sites easily. I usually go through Japan or Australia for new stuff and Hong Kong for used.

Awesome I will have to check some of those out, so far I get most of my stuff off Ebay and I just got my first shipment yesterday from my Yahoo Japan proxy guy. Japanese Yahoo Auction IS THE SHIT for arcade stuff, so many good deals but no one in Japan will deal with foreigners so you need a good proxy. Anyways I was looking into getting a TvC board a while ago but never followed through. What’s the deal with that thing? I couldn’t find anything on it other then a couple pictures. I see you need to run a JVS adapter and it looks like it comes with a DC adapter but is there anything else to it?

General gaming section:
DDR XTREME/SuperNova2
Initial D
House of the Dead 1/2
Bishi Bash (Its a timeless barage of minigames)
Mario Kart Racing
Drum Mania X
Deal or No Deal
Wheel of Fortune
Pirate Treasure (the standard token eater that teaches kids the kiddy way to gamble!)

Fighting Game Section:
SF IV
GGAC
BlazBlue
KOF 98/98UM/2002/2002UM/XI
Samurai Shodown 5 and up
MvC 2
Tekken 6/BR

Misc games:
GvG Next
Virtua Tenis

Scroller Games:
Metal Slug 1-3 on a multiple game machine
Metal Slug 4,5,6…

Old School:
Pac man
Frogger
Rampage
Gem Fighter
Puzzle Bobble
Tekken 3
SF 2/Turbo
KOF 97

It’s hard to find classic cabs in good condition. Usually you can pick them up pretty cheap here and there for a couple hundred bucks for games like the ones mentioned but they will be weathered unless you are very lucky, gotta figure only millionaires really had an arcade machine brand new for private use back in the golden days.
-If you want good condition cabs you are going to have to scout them out or pay someone good loot for them
-If you are willing to settle you can buy beat up cabs and restore them. Bondo is your new best friend and you can reduce screen burn by turning the brightness/contrast up to max and blasting the monitor straight hot white for a LOOOONNGG time, but it will work after a while.
-If you want the best of both worlds and are handy with tools you could build some generic cabinets and buy a machine that has a JAMMA harness and a descent monitor then gut it and transfer the power-source/monitor/harness/coin acceptor to your new machine and buy some new quality (keyword alert) controls. Then all you need is a JAMMA compatible pcb and a marquee and you can switch out the game in a matter of minutes to find the best configuration of games and keep things fresh for repeat customers. Most “sub-classic” games come from the late 80’s through the early 90’s and either are JAMMA compatible or just need a cheap adapter (pay $40 or learn to soldier and pay 1/2). Ebay is saturated with old PCBs at cheap prices. Unless something from pre 2000 is rare the PCB plus the marquee might run $150-$200 at most. http://www.therealbobroberts.net/ is a good place to get random parts for arcade machines.

*edit - What the hell where did that post go?

Might as well throw down the dream setup, not the money setup, but they do share a lot of picks…

Fighters…
MVC2
SF4
3rd Strike
Blitzkampf
Rumble Fish 2
Samurai Showdown 6
CvS2
SSF2T
Guilty Gear AC
Sugio! Arcana Heart 2.6
SF Alpha 3 (CPS2 version)
Vampire Savior
Then a 6 slot MVS with
1: Samurai Showdown 5 Special
2: King of Fighters 2002
3: King of Fighters 1998
4: Mark of the Wolves
5: Last Blade 2
6: Karnov’s Revenge

Other Games…
Oriental Legends 2 with card readers on PGM2
Elevator Action Returns
The Outfoxies
Shadows Over Mysteria
Rockman Power Battles
ProGear
Tetris Grand Master

Another 6 slot MVS with…
1: Windjammers
2: Neo Bomberman
3: TwinkleStar Sprites
4: Sengoku 3
5: Bust-a-Move Again
6: Power Spikes 2 (sorry I don’t like Metal Slug :sweat:)

Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Street Fighter 3 Third Strike
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter IV
King of Fighters XI
Darkstalkers
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Tekken 6
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 2
Ultimate Mortal Kmbat 3
Samurai Showdown
Metal Slug
Dance Dance Revolution
Tom Crisis
NBA Jam
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr.
Double Dragon
Final Fight
Pac-Man
Galaga
Soul Calibur 4

This to infinity, i was hoping someone would say VO. thats just insane fun to play at an arcade

Good list…but no arc system love? Common you atleast need Guilty Gear

Plus I don’t think Namco made SC4 machines. Tom Crisis? :rofl: yeah need dat GGAC

My list could go on for days, but at the end of all that, it’s all about the Guilty Gear Accent Core, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, Initial D 3, and Hokuto No Ken.

Interesting. I’ve never come across that in Beijing. All the arcades I know of use legit SF4 arcade cabs.

Ok hypothetically, if I got my ideal choice location for an arcade, it would be in Sannomiya, Kobe. Kobe is the major city that I currently live closest to. It’s the 6th largest city in Japan, and “Sannomiya” is the main “cool” part of it. There’s already a few arcades here, but here’s a few reasons for my choice:

  1. Osaka arcades are already good enough, where I wouldn’t be doing it smart. If i was to compete in Osaka, I would need to make something better than what they already have.
  2. Even if I were to do that, it would require a massive massive amount of money that I’m not quite willing to put into it.
  3. I want to have an arcade that I personally like, as well as one that would do well.

So looking at the current arcades in Sannomiya, there’s a few main ones:

  1. Sannomiya Sanx - No crane games, fighters are 100 yen a credit, has plenty of card game machines, border break, quiz magical academy, etc.
  2. Magical Space - This arcade has a first floor of about 10-12 crane games, 2 jubeat machines, 4 border break machines, a couple pop-n-music, guitar freaks, drummannia, as well as some other stuff. 2nd floor is many fighters, shooters, gundam, misc stuff. 3rd floor is mahjong, card games, gundam pods. fighters are 100 yen a credit, and 2 credits for 100 yen on fridays.
  3. An arcade that has a floor of majhong at 2 credits for 100 yen, and then a floor of crane games, and a floor of just music games.
  4. An arcade in the “anime” area. Has gundam, melty blood, and tekken at 2 credits for 100 yen. Very grimy, closes at 9PM.
  5. game in coo, an arcade that gets all the games but only one cab and has nobody playing anything except gundam, vf, and tekken.

Ok so this would be the competition. If I was to open an arcade in this area (assuming I don’t have the budget of a millionare, nor a gigantic space), I would have to make everything count. Since I myself am a fighting game fan, I would definitely want this to be THE fighting game arcade. However, I know what makes money and what doesn’t, and when competition will go to a better place. Therefore, these are what I would end up doing if I was to run an arcade:

Ill assume i get 2 floors with so-so space, or one floor with a lot of space.

First, crane games are huge here. However, you need to have prizes that cater to your audience. If my location was somewhat centralized where many people pass by, I would definitely have things for couples in the arcade in the front as well as the anime things (because people who are big into anime tend to have a large amount of disposable income…or they have a small amount, but spend more than they can on anime things). Either way, those two things are the money makers of crane games. When a guy wants to win something for a girl, he’ll spend whatever. So having things like stuffed animals in one area would be good, and having another area for the bigger figures that are cheap, but look like you can win them. Thats where they catch you, when they make it look easy and it’s not.
Then, have a couple of the machines with little prizes (like an anime character on a memo pad) where you get a hook and have to pull them down little by little. You can even add bigger prizes in here. It always looks really easy, but it never is, and the stuff you win is NEVER worth the amount. It’s mainly because you’re not gonna give up if you’re 60% of the way there, but if you miss 3-4 times in a row, thats 3-4 dollars right there. Those are the traps, and those are necessary for just getting people who are walking by to play.

Jubeat is another game that I always see people playing. It’s cheaper than most at 100 yen a credit, and if i get 2 machines at 3 songs for 100 yen, i will have constant lines of people playing almost all the time. If I find people are going to the other places for 3 songs, I can make mine 4 songs for 100 yen. Sure people stay on the machine longer, BUT they’ll come to the arcade and stay there longer.

Pop-n-music does well, too. Have a machine of that set up on the first floor, and that’ll do well, also. Drummania and Guitar freaks are too big, so I’m not gonna deal with those monsters.

Now for the 2nd floor/2nd part - Fighters:
Since I want this to be the fighting game arcade, this is what I would have:

  1. Tekken 6 BR - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play.
  • It will be the only 50 yen a play Tekken in Kobe, and even though it’s somewhat late into the lifespan of tekken, it’s still a REALLY popular game and will definitely make it’s money back.
  1. Street Fighter IV - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play.
  • Expensive? Yes, but all the street fighter players go to the 100y a play arcade. If I sell cards and offer a free credit with the purchase of a card, then they have reason to not only buy a card, but to play at my arcade.
  1. Blazblue: Continuum Shift - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play
  • Right now, the only place with 2 cabinets for blazblue is 100 yen for 2 rounds. If i have this setup, nobody will go to those other places, and all the players will obviously play here. Now that I have the blazblue players here, time to get the rest.
  1. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play
  • Game is still popular and still hype. No reason not to go for it.
  1. Arcana Heart 3 - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play
  • This might be risky, but it’ll definitely be the best value around for the game, and I like the series, so I would probably spend the money on it for that reason, as well.
  1. Melty Blood Actress Again ver A - 2 cabinets 3/5 rounds 50y a play
  • Magical space only has one machine for it, so it’s not getting the play it COULD be getting. And the anime arcade is grimy and closes at 9 anyways.
  1. KOF 98UM - 1 cabinet 50y a play
  2. KOF 2002UM - 1 cabinet 50y a play
  • These two KOF games are popular.
  1. Whatever the newest gundam is x4 - 50y a credit
  • The question is more about space. If there’s enough space, getting 8 machines isn’t a bad idea.

Games i would consider if they were cheap enough:
mvc2 - Some people still play it.
3S - Game is kind of dead, and I don’t know if people will even play it if I got it…
Hokuto no Ken - Game is lolz.

Games I would avoid

  • Virtua fighter - Too expensive and not enough people play.
  • Daemon Bride - Game flopped, sadly.
  • Fate Unlimited Codes - Has a niche scene, but I don’t think that scene is where I’m gonna be
  • TvC - New TvC is coming out anyways. Nobody plays it here. I would seriously be better off with MvC2
  • KOFXII - Duh

Non-fighting games I would consider if I had space:
-Usagi Mahjong - One of the most popular mahjong games, Pretty cheap, but it would require a majhong setup. If I could get a back to back setup of this, I think that would be really cool, and I could have people playing it.
-Dunno the name but it’s a 4 in 1 game - Has Zookeeper, Uno, Daifugo, and one other game. Silly little game that anyone can just sit down and play very easily.
-Tetris the grandmaster 3 - Obvious reasons, tho its really hard to get

  • Newest Puyo-puyo - Another awesome puzzle game
  • Azumanga puzzle bobble - another great, cheap puzzle game.

After that, it would really just depend on what comes out, how things actually end up doing vs how well they’re expected to do, and how I’m feeling.

This is all super hypothetical, as the amount of money it would take to start this would be way more than what I would really be able to do. Cause renting a place is fine and good, but having to redecorate and renovate a place is a lot of money, too. It would be a fun simulation game, though. :slight_smile:

I would definitely do a console Arcade/LAN Centre-esque hybrid as mentioned earlier by someone. It’s far cheaper and easier and allows you much more variety.

Very cool to see it from a Japan perspective. It sounds like you know what would work–the only problems I see in your hypothetical business plan are “newest Gundam for 50y/play” (do you know how much that game costs?) and BB:CS at 50 yen 3/5. You want to recover as much of the initial investment as possible while the game is new, because that’s when the most people will be playing. You’d at least want to do 50y 2/3 (since it sounds like you’d want it to be a 50y game center) but also, to make the 50y game center work while actually paying your rent, electricity, trash fees, and 800y/hour for attendants (which you’d need 3 at all times at a bare minimum: one managing UFO catchers, one working desk, and one on the 2nd floor), you probably wouldn’t be getting prime real estate in Sannomiya. There’s a reason most of the 50y game centers in Japan are grimy, lol.

As for your random games–regarding TGM3, we gave up on finding one and are just waiting for TGM4. Can’t wait to play that game!!

Newest Puyo Puyo is Fever, for Naomi GD-Rom. We just got that one :smiley:

Planet Zero in Houston has Azumanga Daioh Puzzle Bobble, seems like it was a good pick.

It’s cheaper, easier, and has no formula for generating income. Where is your income coming from if you just charge $3/hour for unlimited use? Let’s look at a theoretical “optimal” setup:

Thursday night - 10 people @ 3 hours = $90
Friday Night - 30 people @ 4 hours = $360
Saturday Night - 30 people @ 4 hours = $360
Sunday - Wednesday - Random walk-ins = $100 for whole day each day

So you’re banking under 1K a week for a space that should be costing you $2000 to $3000 a month. You are asking to live in poverty with this business plan.

The only way to “make it work” is to sell food and/or drinks and supplement the income with something like Custom PC Sales or repairs. Will your locals know that you offer these services? What advantages will your storefront have over the Best Buy? How will you stop customers from purchasing food and drink next-door and bringing it in?

Even with all this, you are going to be busting ass to recover your investment and turn a profit.

Location-wise, you’d want to be close to a middle or high school so that kids could walk there after school. Not everybody has a game console, but EVERYONE with disposable income in the US has a PC at home. Arcades at least offer the advantage of using arcade cabinets, which do have a superior feel than playing on a joystick in your lap on a TV, but a LAN/Console Gaming center is literally paying money for the exact same thing you can do at home. Your main demograph would definitely be in the 13-19 or so age bracket, a time when their parents might prohibit those items at home. The older people would only come around when you held tournaments or events.

Food for thought.

I’ll add on to what was already posted:
pop’n music
typing of the dead
final fight (only the first one made an arcade release i think)
Street Fighter II CE: Koryu :rofl:
and i don’t think i saw tatsunoko vs capcom at all. i guess it pales that much in comparison to mvc2.

Poonage said that TVC does great at aUFO. I’d love to have it in an arcade, but are they coming out with an Ultimate All-Stars revision for it?

It DID great at UFO. Like, when it was new. After SBO qualifiers, the game pretty much fell off the radar and even then it wasn’t that popular. The game’s overall lifespan was about four months, and I don’t suspect it will be any different with the US Revision. There’s no way the revision will get an arcade release, so it doesn’t concern me one way or the other.