No, it’s not going “all in”, it’s going All In with a Pair of 2’s against Ace/King suited. You technically have the advantage, and if things go your way, you’ll win. However, your opponent has so many outs and ways to random out a win, you’re still in massive trouble.
If DPh does indeed have more juice, I’ll up her to a Pair of 6’s.
Ok as a poker player I have to say that this is pretty awesome.
You boggle my mind at starting that post with “no”, and then proceeding to agree with me. I think you are just being intentionally combative, so I’ll just drop it here.
Poker isn’t the best explanation. Gonna pull out Pokemon analogy(hey only one I can think of the moment.)
Let us look at Charmander(represents Phoenix) who is all attack and speed, designed to hit first and take out the opponent. But can’t take a hit worth shit, so if make one mistake or not smart, your ass is kicked. Well, Charmander turns into Charizard(represents Dark Phoenix) who is even more of an offensive powerhouse to destroy your opponent but damn has even lower defensive properties and shit if a mistake happens YOU are damn dead for sure.
Not the best either due to her resurrection but all I can think of at the moment.
Yeah, though after posting that, I realize that 10/9 Suited is a bit better against a Pair of 2’s. More outs for a straight.
I actually did stop reading here.
As long as we’re making comparisons, I like to think that playing with Phoenix is like playing as Justin Wong’s Cable in the Pixel Cable Comeback video.
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Skip to 2:00 for the part that matters. Basically your team got trashed and now you have a very angry, very powerful, super-meter charged character that’s thirsting for a comeback. The problem is, it’s sudden death and you can’t get hit or its lights out. As Seth put it… “I’m all in.”
Looking foward to Phoenix so much.
“Hey, you already defeated my other 2 characters, so I might as well throw this angry, telekenetic mutant at you.”
Phoenix + Dark Phoenix is 2 characers. + the other 2 characters on your team = 4.
It’s 4 vs 3. That’s why her health is so low. You get a free character that’s better than the one you have. DPh isn’t like super armor or a powerup or Devil Trigger.
It’s an entirely different character. Starting with full life. With the field being reset on DPh activation. And so far everything points to her having some crazy buffed up stuff.
I completely understand Capcom making Phoenix so fragile. You just can’t have her with Strider health + resurrection. Even if Jean resurrected into another normal Jean, it would be unfair with Strider health with a field reset on activation.
This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:
Do you guys get it? It HAS to be this way. Can you imagine Strider with a full life resurrection + field reset? Another full life shot at going Strider/Doom on somebody?
vs some characters you can just mash fp and see how they can get past the 10 mini proj it emits, I think the most important thing to win with her is knowledge about a couple scenarios. When to use healing field and commit to rushing for the health gain, if and when to pop xf and if to save it solely for her and the capabilities of your opponents char mainly if they have a lvl3 or full screen move that can tag you somehow. If you just pay attention and dont ever fuck up you can basically mash fireballs and teleport randomly then kill them, normal phx can to extent but you have to actually commit to rushdown at some point or the odds are against you
Agreed. Close thread & wait for the game to come out.
We have yet to see a level 3 X-Factored DPh. Who knows what kind of damage boost she gets with X-Factor and DPh mode? I wouldn’t be surprised to see her dropping fools without use of meter in one combo by that point.
Pair of 2’s or 6’s my butt. She looks more like a pair of queens to me. But really there’s too much at this point we don’t know to make any real judgement calls.
So mods lock thread?
Theory fighting has gone wrong here…
If we close this thread, we close EVERY character thread until the game comes out.
Just cope for a week.
Man people got this game already. Yall need to post some shit up and let the stupidity die. We’d have ssooooooo many answered questions if someone with the game bothered to post.
If you had the game…would you still be getting on this site every couple hours to tell people about it? lol. I suspect people will comment soon enough before the game comes out, but the first couple days (maybe weeks) they have it, their social life is over xP.
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phoenix mission mode… discuss
Thanks for that 
If you have the time, can you record the Dark Phoenix’s Assists as well? I assume they’re different from the regular ones.
I think the most important factor in determining her worth will come down to snapbacks. If they can still be comboed into from a jab (anybody know?). And whether or not people can set up unbeatable unblockable followups when she is tagged in. If so, it could ruin Phoenix, and seriously put her at the bottom of the barrel.
Or depending on which and how many characters can set such a thing up, and how easy/situational it will be, create hard counter matchups against her.
But if she universally has a chance to defend and tag out again, well then snapbacks shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Useless speculation perhaps. You guys can continue with the whether she says I or it arguement if you want 
I’d also like to see this since I’m assuming the assists are powered up. It still seems too dangerous to use Phoenix as an assist, considering how fragile she is. One Ice Storm and she’s probably dead.