Man, where’s the love for EX Mai?
Anyways, I loved this game, and still do. It was insanely broken and what-not. But so much wackiness made it so fun. But yeah, the 8 round games where pretty bad and my only complaint pretty much.
This game needs to make a comeback. lol
i love this game. i need to find it for my dc. all i got is cvs pro. not the same
i need to find my old version too.
I’m glad to see people stepping out of the shadows with CvS1 love. People dropped this game like a rock when CvS2 came out. Years later though, I gotta say I actually prefer CvS1 over CvS2.
If I had people to play against, I’d be playing again in a heartbeat.
I don’t remember an accurate version of the tiers, but IIRC how the game broke down…
Ratio 3
R3 got slept on a bit, but IIRC EX Yamazaki and Sagat were actually pretty good, and Bison was decent. The major problem with R3 is that they most certainly did NOT equal 3 R1’s, or even 1 R1 and 1 R2, so you were always at a disadvantage. But EX Yama in SNK Groove = pain.
Ratio 2
Top tier = Nak. No question. I did a write up about her to master akuma a few years ago, I dunno if its still around, but basically, she has a TON of options while most characters only have 3-4. Not to mention, anytime you get knocked down, you’re fucked because she can attack from all 4 directions, and do so very quickly - you need either great reflexes, or psychic powers. Her B&B did awesome damage and, guess what? It knocks you down. Yay. Once she had Lvl2, you couldn’t even try to cross her up anymore, because then you’d eat a flaming bird. The ambiguous cross up was also shit to deal with - it’s been said that the best strategy against Nak is to just block.
EX Rog was also very good. Lvl3 super covered a LOT of ground in NO time at all - if you were on the other side of the screen, and sweeped in a manner that Rog didn’t approve of, you were getting supered. His roll was also very good, and his punches had mad priority. He was primarily a shoto killer.
Guile joins Rog in the “top but not Nak” tier. He was good in CvS1 for a lot of the reasons he’s been good in the past - the CvS1 system didn’t have a lot of options for dealing with his slow sonic boom. His normals had GREAT priority and range, and the Flash Kick = GODLIKE. Like, if you left the ground and Guile had DB charge, you were getting Flash Kicked, the end. His ground super with ZERO priority only added to the nonsense.
Next is probably the shotos. A lot of people favored Ken early on because of the sweep xx shoryurekka links. That was really gimmicky though, and Ken lacked a way of getting in against many opponents, especially Guile. Ryu had the hop kick, which if timed right could go over sonic booms. Not to mention the FEAR of the ShinSho - fighting against Ryu, and Ryu with Lvl3 meter, was an entirely different story. There were things you just didn’t do against Lvl3 Ryu.
Gief of course was also good, as was Raiden, though he was slept on before B5. Kyo was decent, Iori was better, SNK Iori could be very annoying with the wine glass traps. Chun-Li was sort of like Guile Light. Ryo was sort of surprisingly decent. And of course, Terry. Peeps loved EX Terry because of the POWAA DUNK!, but in CvS1’s last legs of life people found little holes of vulnerability in the POWAA DUNK! splendor and went back to regular Terry. Terry could keep up with most of the cast, including put up a good fight against Nak (Crack Shoot could actually catch her weird jump-in, and power wave discouraged her slide). Terry’s major problem though was that he had to be in your face and have meter to do big damage.
Ratio 1
I guess the biggest problem with CvS1 was that the R1’s weren’t underpowered enough. Supposedly, 2 R1’s = 1 R2, but it never worked like that. An R1 could easily to toe-to-toe with an R2, or even better. So the 4-man team (or as Viscant dubbed it, “4 Little Girls”, succeeded simply by strength in numbers.
When the game first game out, people spammed Blanka because there were very few characters/options for punishing the Blanka Balls. But then people figured out you could just jab him out of it, and the Blanka scrubs tapered off. However, he’s still really good - his bite throw did ridiculous damage, and for more insult to injury, you could combo a Lvl2/3 electricity super OFF the throw!
EX Vice was one of the best R1’s. Great B&B, could keep up the pressure, and her grappler super hurt lots. Again, just the threat of it changed how you play against her. King was really, really good. A lot of people favored EX King because of her auto B&B and the corner juggle combos, but I will still contend that regular King was much better, thanks to the no start-up, no-recovery Lvl1 super. You could spam the SHIT out of that super. King could also put up a good fight against Guile, since she could slide under sonic booms, or just nullify it with a double shot. Sim could shut down many other characters, and IIRC shotos had a tough time with him.
A lot of people loved EX Yuri for the fireball trap, but then people figured out the best way around it was to just dash backwards. It’s still a formidable trap in the corner though. Her S.RH is silly good, and she has a lot of great combo and super options as well. Even without fireball trap, EX Yuri is still solid. EX Beni got play because of his weird high jump which gave him a Nak-ish ambiguous cross-up. Then he could combo that into a sweep xx level 3 electric ball…AND THAT SHIT REALLY HURT. He had a few other decent tools at his disposal. Sak and Cammy were just not very good in this game, EX or otherwise, BUT they could still do major damage in capable hands. Sak’s B&B still hurt as much as it did in A3.
Don’t forget that Beni, Ex Dhalsom, Regular Dhalsim, Blanka, King, Ex King could all throw into super. King could even throw into her dp move in the corner… Hella good. Blanka was a beast becaue of that.
Ex Beni also had the better twirlly kick for combos without super.
I still like regular sak as a decent character cause her really good bnb that you could juggle into super, and her standing rh was still good. As was her fireball. Girl was still pretty beefy just not like as beefy as all the other r1s.
Ah OK thanks for clearing that up :).
BTW if anyone wants the game PM me and I might know where you can ‘get’ it.
@Azrael: I find it funny that EX Terry wasn’t loved as much because I actually prefered him over regular Terry. Power Dunk was awesome when psychiced and he really didn’t the fireball because he had s.roundhouse to zone properly. And if timed right, you CAN beat Nak’s slide with Power Dunk. I dunno, I guess I just had that ability to do that on reaction. =/
And mind you, s.roundhouse for Terry was the equivalent of s.short with Kim. It was fast and had excellent range. It was also anti-air. Oh, and Guile’s roll is what made him even better as well. That roll had the greatest range in the entire game. It equalled to two full character spaces AND you can cancel into flashkick. Shit was just devastating.
So many gimmicks for Guile too. Sonic boom into Sobat kick in the corner. It would guard crush in like, 8-10 hits. Sonic boom, dash into jumping opponent and have them eat c.fierce anti-air.
Then he had crossup j.short which stuck out like NO TOMORROW.
Crossup j.short, c.shortx3, b/f/b/f+P lvl2, while opponent is in air, flashkick super lvl1.
That was like, 65% damage when connected.
ex rog = nako killer
Cvs1 is what actually got me back into fighting games…I had stopped playing fighters after ki2, and then after a few years, I went back to my local arcade and saw this gem, and I was SHOCKED. “TERRY FIGHTING RYU !!! How is this possible!?!” I immediately got hooked and then Prez thought me the basics and cheap/top tier tactics in the game. 4 r1s was hella lonnnnnggggggg, especially when u play in an area where everyone turtled like crazzzyyyy
at B5, og Mtl player JFL got 3rd in the game, and he later told me that he would have destroyed Chikyuu if he was in the finals, as they played many casual games before the tournament and the Champ couldn’t handle the turtling. Nelson put him out though through level 1 Snk super spams with rog and guile.
I had an old VHS tape of B5, the best match imo was when he peaced out Ricky…the ending was too sick/uncanny/godly. Gonna try to find it again
Don’t let anyone fool you, this game did have a ton of tournament play for about a year and a half. This died the same way Alpha 2 died when Alpha 3 came out. Back in those days, when new games came out, you stopped playing the old ones. Now, since there is nothing past CVS2 and 3s, people still play these games and consider them to be better in all ways for some reason.
CVS1 4 button=MVC2 4 button.
All the combos/moves are still there within the 4 button scheme, you just had to use offensive crouch/defensive crouch, or utilize an EX version for some characters if you felt the character was “incomplete”, which is where the stigma comes from.
CVS1 had HUGE turnouts at every single tournament that I went to for it. The presentation was much better than CVS2, the music was much better than CVS2, hell, CVS2 with roll cancel and the way the game is setup is just not as fun IMO.
If CVS2 did not come out, I am sure people would still be playing this the same way CVS2 and 3s are being played now because Capcom has not released anything else.
You can’t confuse this for CFE because no one liked that game from the start, and no one played it in tourneys even from its inception. THAT game is incomplete AND the presentation was poor.
I can tell you that at one major, 12 of the top 16 players used Nakoruru on their team. I remember myself and KP who regularly got Top 5 in that game when we travelled did not use Nako, he was a Morrigan player, and I was the EX Honda Roll buttsplash abuser with R1 Dhalsim and Blanka or the team of R1s…regardless, best characters in that game were:
Nakoruru
Guile
(everyone else debatable)
I’m digging this thread, I never had an opportunity to play CvS1 on a competitive level - missed that window. Could this be the beginnings of a revival? Or is it too broken to bring back?
Might have to pick this up for the Naomi…
I still play CVS1 PRO
Love that game
Hopefully we can bring it back. Isn’t there a way to play net with a certain type of Emu with legal roms/games that is.
Speaking of CvSNK Pro- How good is the PSX port?
It’s garbage. Loading time ftl. You’re better off with the DC version of CvS1 Pro.
I loved the secret remix songs you got and ryu’s stage song and others. If cvs2 stuck with the way 1 was presented it would be a whole lot better.
CvS1 Finest KO graphics > CvS2
Getting Ryo’s Lv3 Punch Finest KO on the last round in CvS1 was fucking sexy.
For me no other fighting game has had as much hype and anticipation. I went to a local import store the DAY it came out to get it, and was checking MM Cafe and other sites for new info and screens constantly.
After the initial buzz faded I would say the game suffered from being a little bit on the simple side. It was like a modified ST system with alpha-ish priorities and the cast was pretty much ST vs KOF96.
But it looked great and had awesome stages and looking back it was pretty fun, i was really into Marvel at the time and didnt play it too much but I liked using Balrog and Sim in it; ]
I think it would have been more fun at arcades if it had ratio select or was 2v2. It was hella annoying waiting for matches to end, being 3rd in line could take near a damn hour.
And the unlockables in the home version took FOREVER, omg. I ended up just getting a fully unlocked save file from someone, and when it accidently got deleted I think that was the last time i ever played it.
I liked Sim and Nako. I forgot who I used as a 2nd R1. I threw in like EX Vice, EX Yuri, Sak, Ex King, and EX Beni.
Fun times.
When it just came out the stages, music, and presentation were fire. It was also one of a kind at its time.
Also the graphics at the end when you pull off a finest ko in cvs1 were awesome.
Cvs2 feels more like a cartoon, and some sprites are well done, others just rehashed. The finest ko in cvs2 is also nice but I liked the one from cvs1 more. The only stage music I like in cvs2 is the one with the rotating stage, and maybe osaka after getting burned (god rugal and shin akuma’s stage).
I still play it every now and then, when I get bored of Marvel/3S/CvS2.