How to use the TE stick?!

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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LOL, I am forced to use my TE stick right now (was collecting dust in my closet). Damn PS3 2.70 messed up my PS2->PS3 adapter so all of my American sticks are out of commission until I found a good adapter for them.

Right now I am using mine with an octogate. In training mode whenever I messed up my TK strikes, I noticed that the last directional input is a :r: instead of a :uf: Octogate I found out is hard to hit the diagonals precisely and I also found octogate’s throw is very large compare to my American sticks which is gateless. With the American Sticks, I can pull off TK strikes with more consistency even though they are gateless and perfectly circular. Maybe I should put the square gate back to see if I can learn the technique James’ been talking about by barely touching the gate instead of riding it.

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omg… and I thought I was finally able to do it. Seems I can only use this method in SF4? Hmm… I think it’s better for me to keep trying using your method then :wink:

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I just bought a HRAP3 for the PS3. It’s got the same stick as the tournament stick does. Was at a friend’s house the other day trying his out. I was excited that I could finally do Guile’s Ultra consistently with the square gate (in contrast to Dpad), but all my QCFs, my FADCs, and my DP moves were all alot tougher to execute. I’m guessing it’s going to take some practice. Though I bet once I get the QCF motion down, I’ll be able to do the TK strike a lot easier than it was with the dpad. I’m also hoping it’ll solve most of the execution failures. I did his Cammy Trial 5 for him which took a lot longer than needed due to TK strike mess ups from Dpad and also doing the Ultra too fast with Dan in the corner.

The square gate is a little weird at first though. I am also used to the octogate as well from US arcade sticks. Also, playing with the 6 button layout on non-ce/ww SF is still somewhat of a new thing for me. After CE, I played most SF games at home on Dpad (Hey it’s a LOT cheaper that way). Strangely enough when I first went from Joystick to Dpad, I couldn’t use Dpad. After many years of Dpad fighting games, it’s tough for me to go back to Joystick. Especially when I missed the whole shift to multiple button presses needed (Versus games excluded). One of the first comments my friend made when he saw me use the stick was, “You hold the stick weird.”

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Just got my TE stick 2 days ago haven’t touch a stick since the 90’s but damn I would compare it to learning to crawl!

After so many hours at it using tips from jchensor cheers mate been great help l’m able to finally just link c.lp to tiger. Starting the joystick in the D position was causing havoc tiger wouldn’t come out or just to slow to combo.

Now the problem l’m getting is the BNB link for sagat is c.lk,c.lk,c.lp tiger / TU/ TK

Getting the tiger out at the end is easier in the D postions when i am inputing c.lk,c.lk,c.lp but getting a TU or TE is impossible for me without holding the joystick in DF position. The problem with this is if I keep it at DF position I cant throw out a tiger in the case they block the string but with putting it in DF postion I cant get a TU or TK out.

I assuming most people with maybe input c.lp + DF then do the QCF or D then DF to get the tiger Uppercut/Knee, wondering if you guys have any tips for this link.

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I to just got the fight stick O.o man its so hard to use. trying doing dhalsims yoga fire cancel yoga inferno T.T been trying for 2 days now
:df: :l: :lp: :qcf: :qcf: :p:

if anyone can tell me a easyier way to do this lol feel free :frowning: im getting so frustrated i just wanna throw my TE stick threw the wall

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it takes time man. Play for 2.5 hours a day for a week, and you’ll get back to about 60% of where you were :p. I know your pain, I just got mine a while a ago. Knowing what to do in a situation but not being able to because your hands don’t know how is the most frustrating thing in the world.

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Hey, Gundam.

I’m not even sure what that motion you are putting down is. Do you mean you are trying to cancel the Yoga FLAME into his Super? 'Cause the code you start with resemble a Yoga Flame more than the Yoga Fire. So are you trying to do:

:hcb::lp::qcf::qcf::p:

Yeah, it’s a tricky code, and there’s no simple way around it, to be perfectly frank and perfectly honest. That sequence will just require practice.

One of the biggest keys to learning those types of sequences, however, is to not treat it like two separate things. What that tends to do is separate the motions in our head and, thus, puts a pause in our execution. The only way to do that consistently is just to be fast. No simple shortcuts, just have to do the codes fast. And the best way to do that is to think of the whole joystick motion as one. So take out the Light Punch and look at it like this:

:hcb::qcf::qcf:

You wanna get good at doing that motion, the whole thing, as fast as you can. Once you get good at that, just think of hitting Jab twice during that sequence: once after the first :hcb: and then once at the end. The best reason for this is that you can actually hit Jab even a few frames AFTER you’ve left :l: and the Yoga Flame will still come out, so you don’t have to be ultra precise. In fact, I’d almost recommend mashing Jab the whole time you do the code after pressing it the first time for the Yoga Flame. Because that’s one less thing you’ll need to time properly, and you can’t come out with anything incorrectly by accident once the Yoga Flame starts up.

But in the end, it’s really all about speed for this Combo. There’s no simple way to do it. Again, on the Tournament Edition Stick, the joystick base is a square gate. So if you rub the joystick along the edges, you will be met with a LOT of resistance because the corners are where the stick tends to get stuck. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, learn to “float” the joystick in your hand. Don’t use the edges of the joystick base as a crutch to help the motions. While this does sound like a dumb thing to learn, in the end, what you’ll find out is that once you get used to playing like this, you can do move SO MUCH FASTER and that you end up playing far more precisely than you have before.

So stick with it (pun unintended). Practice it, and for the love of God, don’t throw it against the wall! :rofl: There are plenty of people who’d be more than happy to take it off your hands, I’m sure, and give it a good home. :slight_smile:

  • James
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I got a stick today. I am now about 92834732948 times worse. Excellent. This is going to take a while.

EDIT: Holy fucking shit I can’t do anything. Frustration time.

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I tried playing on my friend’s TE stick and I had a hard time doing anything. Couldn’t even dash properly. Hopefully when I do finally get a stick it won’t take too long for me to adjust.

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Admittedly, the transition from a pad to the stick is really hard. They really are two entirely different techniques. truewalrus, what are the areas you are finding the most problems? I’d be more than happy to see if I can give any advice. Same to you, bs0ng, when you eventually get a stick.

  • James
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I’m actually transferring from 360 controller joystick to stick. I figured it would help on execution… and it sort of did. I can now do CSpike FADC Ultra easily and my tk CStrikes are all simple but I’m having massive problems with jumping. I apparently am lightly pressing up… a lot. Like in CSpike FADC CSpike, I seem to be doing CSpike FADC j.hk or CSpike FADC dash twice and then missing the CSpike. I really had no problems with these before.

Also, I can no longer do the easy bnb combos nearly as well. TkCS s.f xx CSpike and cr.lp (cr.lk) cr.lp cr.lk xx SA are ridiculously difficult for me. I’m still hitting the buttons, but I seem to have completely lost my timing in the transition, possibly because I was using the trigger for the hk. I assume I’ll get it eventually, it’s just a bit frustrating to see, clearly, how much better I was on an Xbox controller.

My final problem is that I seem to be hurting my left arm when I’m on the first player side. The motions are too unnatural, so perhaps I should learn a different way to hold the stick (I use thumb and ring finger on the right with pointer and middle on the left, kinda… cup it, I guess), I tried the wine glass approach but I couldn’t really tell if it did anything since my execution was worse and my arm was already hurting.

Sorry for the wall.
tl;dr: Pretty much, I’m jumping a lot, over dashing, I can no longer do easy bnb combos, and my arm hurts when I have to play from the first player side. Hopefully it’s all just basic transfer over problems, but I’ll take any tips I can get.

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I feel you on this…I mainly play on pad still lol.

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I just started playing stick a week ago, I wish some really good player would make like a really good tutorial and how properly use a stick.

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I don’t want to play on controller anymore, it’ll just make it seem like I wasted money on a stick (which I did, because I am clearly not improving at all) and it’ll make all my stupid problems that I’m currently trying to iron out return.

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Nah bro use that cheapness instinct in you to overpower anything that gets in your way. Do you think taking a small break for a day or 2 would help you pick up the new timing? You’re def still used to like different muscle memory for your grip with your timings. Small break will let you feel it out better I bet.

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Jumping up randomly is a very common problem for players new to sticks. The key with Japanese style setups is a light touch and precision - you can play with just the tiniest movements of your wrist and individual fingers on a Japanese stick.

While grip is all about preference and varies from person to person… I think it’s important to clarify that one of the options is to barely touch the stick at all and only have your hand contact it when you’re actually inputting something. Meaning, you don’t have to hold the stick in one set way the entire time. Personally, I rest my wrist on the panel and just have my four fingers on the left of it and thumb on the right - not even touching, but sitting around it ready to contact when I want to move it. The less my hand is tensing up around the handle, the less likely I am to do something unintended.

For example, dashes - I’ll take my four main fingers and simply flick them to the right twice, hitting the stick in the process to get 66. I do the same in the opposite direction with just my thumb for a 44 dash. It’s a hell of a lot faster than gripping the stick and trying to bend at the wrist and move my entire hand to move the stick, which is what a lot of people try to do at first. Getting QCFs, etc. will take a little more practice… but the emphasis should again be on doing the smallest movements necessary. You’ll be more accurate and you won’t tire out your arm.

So I dunno, try giving a light touch a shot? Japanese components are super sensitive, use that to your advantage. Go into training and see just how little movement is needed to hit directions.

Keep at it! Yeah, there’s that learning curve which basically means you’ll be starting back at the beginning with your execution, but it’ll be worth it in the end. Double-tapping, plinking, pianoing, etc. are all great. :bgrin:

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Thanks for the tips, I’ll try the light tapping method at some point in the near future. Hopefully I can adapt fairly quickly because I’m having trouble playing for long periods of time due to fear of breaking out in massive frustration fits.

EDIT to avoid double post: I’m about ready to give up. This is not fun, at all.

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I plan to start training with the stick soon (I have a exam on June 6 I have to focus on first)…does anyone have any youtube videos with instructions on how to hold the stick and where to place your fingers?

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So I went back to pad…for a bit and find that I am even better on the pad than I was before after using the stick for awhile.

I can do TK CS fairly consistently on pad now. I can do FADCs no problemo…

…it’s weird.

I still suck at stick.

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Yeah i have a stick and all of sudden i do random jump ins:)
In belgium we use the american ‘griding’ sticks on arcade so this is really weird for me