I’ve been a massive Street Fighter fan all my life, but the truth is I spent too much time drawing SF characters and not enough time playing the game!
Does anyone have any hints or tips to improve? I know the basics, zoning etc, but I always seem to get pummeled. Jump ins get countered, I can read the combo’s and block the pressure but then cant break out of the block without getting hit (someone used bison against me before, and I couldnt even get away from his constant kicking!). I can’t seem to keep up the pressure without getting countered… And lastly I’m having trouble with Ryu’s combo’s, I cant seem to get a hadouken out after a c.fp or s.fp…
The secret hot tip for being good at anything competitive that the experts DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW!: Keep playing other people. Good people. Constantly. Analyze why you think you’re getting pummeled. You’re gonna lose a lot more than you’re going to win for a while.
True, I suck at SF2:HD, I was always only decent at best in Super turbo back in the day because the area I lived had such a small arcade, and even smaller Street fighter following, but after I started playing later games like Marvel and what not that had a larger following I got better and better. Generally you’re going to lose A LOT before you start to win. It’s just kind of the process.
i’m absolutely dreadful at this game. But its not stopping me from playing
i was really bad a Soul Calibur 4 too, now i’m pretty decent and can hold me own for the most part at that game.
I just need some time at this game too
EDIT: A guy told me i have issues blocking on wake up. Any tips?
Keep in mind a lot of the stronger players also tend to be elitist pricks that won’t even talk to you if you don’t know frame data of every fighter by heart.
Street Fighter is a frame game. Know them, learn them, master them- no matter what. The fastest way for me to learn the frames in this game was to have the hell thrown out of me for the longest time before I got the feel for the entire game.
Once you learn the frames for this game, try to tick throw the hell out of everyone during block stun.
I can’t explain to you the technical details on frames, it just took me a ton of losses and matches to “get the feel” of the game and the way it flows (from the frames). When you do, you can time your moves better and not jump too early and get thrown.
Just play the game everyday and you’ll see what I mean. You really cannot explain to someone how to get good at SF; you just have to keep playing and losing while learning and getting better.
As far as wake-up / standing / whatever counters and stuff, do them early if they jump too late. Otherwise, you will be thrown or countered. It just depends because SF is so deep; Fierce DPs always kill anything close and sloppy. Don’t do Fierce or Roundhouse attacks too often because they leave you vulnerable.
I know there are others who can help way better than I can.
i haven’t played a street fighter game in a long time but i feel like i can hold my own now.
This was my game plan.
I first picked a character that i wanted to learn and decided to stick with him no matter what. i picked fei long and almost 95% of my matches i play him.
I went to the srk wiki and learn everything about him and i also went to st forums and read the fei long thread. it doesn’t matter if it wasn’t hdremix cause it still helps.
then i just kept playing over and over. you figure out what you need to do in certain situations. also watch sirlin’s st tutorials. that helped me tremendously as well.
A) You’re probably not at a level where you can understand any real advice they might have to give you if they’re way above your level like that
I’ve had people ask me what they’re doing wrong when their fundamentals are completely non-existent. I’m not going to spend like 6 hours outlining shit for perfect strangers.
Very basic concepts like footsies have layers upon layers attached to them that are difficult to see/understand, let alone explain. The most I can do is give very small pieces of advice here and there like, “Don’t keep backing yourself into the corner like that.” or “Don’t guess DP so much”, which aren’t really going to make a huge difference on their win ratio because they’re essentially still fighting blind for 90% of the match.
When you ask someone what you’re doing wrong, chances are that a real explanation would take ages, and when you’re just asking someone off-the-cuff at an arcade or after a random online match, you’re not gonna get much of an answer.
B) A lot of good players don’t want to give away their secrets
Especially a lot of the old school crowd who will go out of their way not to reveal anything to you.
C) A lot of people just aren’t really good at articulating exactly what it is that they do. They just do it. Being a good basketball player doesn’t make you a good coach.
First off, watch all 4 videos (Beginner 1, Beginner 2, Intermediate, & Advanced) in David Sirlin’s ST guide series: [media=youtube]d0cFs5mHQC4[/media]
Almost all of the things that apply to the original ST will apply to ST:HDR, and Sirlin’s videos are perfect for getting you started
On your own, you can practice your input accuracy. Practice all of the combos for whatever character you’re playing so that the inputs are second-nature…the last thing you want to happen during a match is to mess up an input and have control issues distract you from what your opponent is doing
You don’t necessarily need to know how to play all of the characters, but you should have a good idea of what every one is capable of…know what works against which characters, and what doesn’t
Keep playing…like somebody said earlier, ask questions as to why you’re losing, and what you need to work on. If the guy is a jerk, play someone else
There’s WAY too much depth to ST to explain it in one post, but for me, the most important factors in learning any fighting game are: seamless control, knowledge of the game, and experience
If you have HDR on PS3, my ID is TheJollies, and I’d be glad to help you out
I agree with Kyokuji. Even when you watch match videos, the whys of why a player performs a certain move at a certain time at a certain position will likely not dawn on you for a long time. You’ll know you get it when you watch match videos without being surprised one bit at anything a player does. It may help to understand why and how a certain player reacted although incorporating that into your own overall gameplan will take time.
Note that a lot of basic ST strategy isn’t explicitly revealed on the net. That’s why there have been longtime misconceptions SRK-wide like the Honda-claw matchup in ST being widely in favor of Honda whereas all the great players knew that was not the case.
So basically, just figure it out for yourself by trying out what works.
A lot of the things you say can be true, but it doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t. If they can’t answer, then they can’t, whatever.
And yes, stuff like footsies is more feel than anything.
Something better would be breaking down video of your matches, and seeing where you get punished, and why you did what you did. Better still would be having someone who can teach fairly breaking down your game or video with you, and saying what potentially better options you have.
If you can find a good teacher, it can be a huge stepping stone, yes. A good teacher can give you, in a few weeks, what it might otherwise take you years to discover.
it’s not that they’re elitist pricks; they teach through experience.
you spoiled guys are all spoonfed.
I had a great session this morning with Keits, Valle, and some others, and I learned a lot by playing them and also watching, even after playing ST for so long.
A good place to start would be playing arcade mode on expert. I find it is a great way to learn what not to do.
Sit in training mode with the character you want to learn and practice every move until you can do it 20 times without a mistake. I think it’s important for you to get to the point where all you do is think “shoryuken/Dragon Punch” and you perferm the command from muscle memory. Also make sure you turn on hitboxes. Hitboxes vary from character to character and it will help to have a better idea of spacing. You will also be able to see when you are invulnerable and when your opponent is aswell.
I really wish ST had a dummy training option like 3s. With all the move changes in HDR it would really help me get used to all of them.
Thanks for those sirlin videos!