How Can i Beat BH?!?

[System_1]

The anakaris in my area im sure is better then the one in that video. Has much more deadly mixups. No offense to that other guy.

[Deathfist]

WARNING: ULTRA-MASSIVE POST ALERT

This is one of the longest posts I remember making. Be forewarnded.

yes. i think anakaris is good, i would be more afraid of him than BH.

So would I if I wouldn’t rush him down and destroy him instantly with my BH or keep him out. It’s my choice entirely.

i just dont think BH is that good because i dont get killed if im hit, unless i get hit over 10 times.

I understand. I’d feel the same way if I wasn’t whitnessing entire teams dying at the hands of BH of just one hit. Sometimes, it’s actually me doing it.

I will explain how you will DIE if you get hit, and possibly take your entire team with you. BH isn’t the one that kills you in most cases. He just brings in a killer to finish the job if he hits you.

I’m only mentioning how you can die if hit, not intelligent play.

=BH-character x, Cyc=
If you get hit by a random Cyc call, BH can inferno you for a double bounce, and tag out. If that tag was to a loaded Cable, Sentinel, your character will die. If the tag was to Ironman, or a Magneto, you’re beyond dead.

With Magneto, you’ll eat an infinite for a real small amount of time into a reset. The reset now leaves you opened for a launch +BH call, into hp or hk, into a Tempest [this is unmashable and does horrendous damage for just 3 moves]. He can then continue this combo into a whiff cancelled tempest into Armageddon. Your character is DEAD.

With IM, you’ll just get infinited into Proton Cannons all day. This one is even worse. Now you’re at risk of your entire team getting 300%. More on this later…

=*BH-Character x, Capcom *=
If you get hit by a random Capcom call, BH’s back better be at the far wall or he’ll inferno you and DHC out. He can do that there too, but the timing is tighter. If that is to Sentinel [the combo I’m discussing here is the Inferno, Whiff DHC HOD, HyperSentinel Force] you’re dead.

If a player is stupid or naive [I think you’re naive, not stupid] and he Calls Capcom and immediately sj hk Capcom can easilly blast you into the hk, and BH can again tag someone else in to do his dirty work for him.

Dlk, Call Capcom, dmk, [sj cancell hk, airdash hk, land]x2, tag means the player can now bring in any character in the game to injure your character and again possibly whipe the entire team out in the case of IM.

Jump lp, call Capcom, jump mp, land, inferno, HOD, whiff DHC HOD or Armageddon into HSF is VERY painful.

Dlk, call capcom, dmk [or if you want to do it easier, just mash dlk and capcom call], wait, inferno, and do the Stilt [and yes, I CAN do the Stilt]
Dlk+ capcom call, dmk, wait, inferno, HOD,

=*BH, Character-x, Sent-a *=
[anywhere away from a corner]
Sent-a+dlk, dmk, sj cancell, airdash forward+ drifting hk
This combo ends with a flying hk, one that leaves you in a bouncing state with BH right beside you. This means you’re TOTALLY HELPLESS, and he can do anything except infinite you from here.

Sent-a+dlk, dmk, inferno [or JD, DHC]
Sentinel can be double duty in this combo [both assist and DHC-in partner]

=*BH, Character-x, Sent-y=
collide with a hp and you’ll more than likely collide with the drones. Drone hits mean you eat HOD [and the possibly HOD to DHC hail, DHC HSF], or sometimes eating a free inferno to HOD and again, the risk of a triple DHC killing you.

=*whiff DHC Aarmageddon partners and combos
=Dlk, dmp XX Armageddon Whiff rapid DHC will combo with…
Proton Cannon, Hail, or HSF [this one is tricky though].

=jump back hp, armageddon XX whiffed Proton cannon or hail or HSF work. actually, you can back to back a hail or Proton cannon into HSF and kill of a mere demon hit.

Some of this is useful in combat, others are just showboats, but the point is BH doesen’t kill people, but just because he doesen’t, doesen’t mean he isn’t capable of easily bringing in someone to kill you if he hits you. And if a good player is at the controls…

YOU’RE DEAD. DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

DEAD

the anakaris i saw in that vid is godly, i wouldnt want to get hit by that. but, i still say mag would beat anakaris, of course just dont get hit, maybe mag players would have a hard time because a good anakaris might throw them off. still though just rush safely and mag should be fine :).

Anakaris is both far better and far worse than people think he is. If he touches you in the right team, walk away. If someone touches him, wait and use your next character. With his poor stamina, that won’t be long. It’s also reasonably probable for people to be able to keep him out since he has very few answers to this. In order to hurt someone he generally must be point-blank [keep him out, “no prob mon”] or has to grab you with his mummy hands. Mummy hands is risky because if you miss, you can eat all kinds of framecancells, AHVBs, and other madness.

Also, I wouldn’t totally base how good a character is on what I see in a combo video. Sure it can be nice and useful, but it’s play action that dictates a character’s worth, not what someone is showing you in practice mode with a helpless willing victim.

Take care, and have a nice day.

For fun, I will repost some stuff Stiltman dropped to let you KNOW you’re playing against Shit Blackhearts. Pay VERY close attention to Litmus question 3.

I shall quote Stiltman, but a different way.

I decided to Unify the first 2 posts Stiltman made in ?How To Tell If Your Blackheart Sucks?. Due to the size of these 2 posts a disclaimer is warranted.

WARNING: MASSIVE POST ALERT

Litmus in Bold
Solutions in normal

*Originally posted by StiltMan *
**This thread might get mistaken for a troll, but I think that in discussing what BH is really capable of any more, there are so many bad habits that BHs around the country have gotten into that I would tend to say that most of them suck. So here’s a simple litmus test to determine whether or not your BH sucks.

1. Do you think sj. rh and inferno/HOD are BH’s two main moves? (If you answer “yes” in whole or in part, your BH sucks.) **

2. My main moves I use with BH are j. fierce (usually supplemented with Sent-Y), sj. jab, and his short both in the air and standing and crouching on the ground. The most common times I use sj. rh at all is after a sj. jab/strong counterattacking a rush char going over the top, or if I know the opposing char is in some way commited to staying below me (which actually is a superset of the first case). I only use inferno/HOD if I know it’s going to hit or occasionally in endgame situations to chip. I never use it as a general chipping weapon unless I’ve got Doom behind BH and I’ve got an opponent pinned between the rocks and the corner wall.**

3. Are you aware that BH’s tail represents one of the quickest range pokes in the game? (If you answer “no”, your BH sucks.)**

4. Just so you know… BH’s st. short (the tail) reaches just a little shy of half the screen away. Probably right around 40-45%. His cr. short is not much shorter. His air short is a little less reaching than his air jab, so the main reason I’ll use the short is if I’ve got an opponent below me. But either way, BH’s tail has sick, sick range for the amount of speed it has, better than basically any quick poke this side of Dhalsim and with a lot more damage potential from combos. You can literally block a launcher from most chars and retaliate with pokes into your AAA of choice into inferno/HOD, infinite, and/or DHC. **

5. Do most characters usually survive your first solid hit with BH? (If you answer “yes”, then your BH probably sucks… I know of at least two team schemes where BH should be killing people on the first solid hit, with only a very few exceptions. BH/Storm is arguably an exception that can get you out of jail here.)**

6. If you are playing BH/Cable/Cyclops, anything that leads to a Cyclops hit (whether it’s juggling someone who’s jumped into demons, retaliating for a poke, them running into Cyclops cold, or whatever) should lead to an infinite which you then finish off by tagging in Cable on the bouncing character, and from there you shoot them the rest of the way to death. If you are playing BH/Sentinel/Commando, there are numerous ways to DHC HOD (with or without inferno) into HSF, most of which will be fatal in most practical cases. If you’ve got BH/Storm/something and set up an inferno/HOD there, you can DHC to hail as well… this won’t kill anybody without a significant amount of extra damage additionally inflicted before or after it, but it’s useful enough and simpler to execute than DHCs to HSF or infinites into Cable tags, so it can be forgiven. **

7. Do you super jump to throw random demons a lot? (If you answer “yes”, your BH sucks. The only matchup where this is really a good idea is against another BH.)**

8. Don’t do this unless you know your opponent can’t either go under you or up with you or whatever. I don’t even super jump for offense at all except on Sentinel or Cable, and even then I’m doing it in cases where I know they’ll have a reason not to go up with me. About the only char I’ll do any kind of half-random sj. rh on is another BH.**

9. Do you have a serious application for air judgment day against top tier chars? (If you answer “no”, your BH sucks.)**

10. If you get over the top of either Cable or Sentinel doing their respective horizontal supers, probably on one of your assists, air judgment day is a lot more useful than it looks like. It’s also very easy to DHC into hail, HSF, or whatever. **

11. Do you play BH on a team where he’s got a serious DHC to work with? (If you answer “no”, your BH sucks unless it’s because the team has Cable on it, in which case you get a “get out of jail free” card unless you answered “yes” to question 3.)**

12. Serious DHCs here can be anything from BH/Sent-A inferno/HOD DHC plasma storm (Sentinel will have enough time to both assist and DHC, BH/IM-or-Cyclops/Sentinel inferno/HOD DHC proton cannon/MOB DHC HSF (either one of which works… pretty easy to do), BH/Storm/Sentinel st. rh/drones/HOD DHC hail (credit to Viscant for this one), BH/Sent with any third char st. rh/drones/HOD DHC HSF (variant on Viscant’s combo, and yeah, the HSF does work if you time it so that Sentinel has enough time to get out on the assist and then come back in on the DHC) or whatever. If you can do the infinite into Cable tag off of BH/Cyclops (which fills a non-DHC condition of question 3) you needn’t worry about this question… BH still can kill and the means are different than a DHC. I don’t really care for BH/Cable/Cyclops myself because I think BH has more use for a projectile assist than he does for Cable behind him for most matchups. It might help him against an opposing Cable some, but I think stuff like drones or rocks helps him against the rush more than a counter-AHVB will help him against another Cable**

13. Does your BH get rushed down for giggles? (If you answer “yes”, your BH sucks.) **

14. With j. fierce, drones, and Commando around, BH should rarely, if ever, worry about getting rushed. With Cyclops instead of drones and Commando it’s potentially hard to rush him down but I’d still prefer having Sentinel back there, especially since BH/Cable/Cyclops suffers the same snapback worries as Team Scrub does against Magneto, whereas BH/Sent/Commando doesn’t. (read: free DHC) Getting your assist char snapped in with no safe way to get out so that he gets rushed down is just as bad as getting your BH rushed down for purposes of this question. **

15. Do you know at least two or three different ways to do serious damage to Cable, without getting shot in retaliation? (If you answer “no”, your BH sucks.) **

16. Pick a DHC from the list in question #6, or the infinite into Cable tag into blow them the hell away… or don’t tag Cable and just do the infinite, maybe reset it. If you don’t want to DHC, take an assist that hits a char up to about chest level on BH and do judgment day. No inferno. I know for a fact that Sent-A sets this up fine. It’s possible that Psylocke might. st. rh into Sent-Y into judgment day will also work without needing a DHC. There’s also hitting into Cyclops and do a single sj. rh as though you were going to start the infinite, but instead airdash, land next to where Cable is bouncing by your head, and do inferno/armageddon. The non-DHC, non-infinite-into-tag combos all do about 50% damage anywhere on the screen (except for the st. rh/drones/JD one, which is more like 60-70%), and all of them are perfectly Cable-safe to hit people with.

There are a few other trade secrets here that I’m keeping close to the vest, but even this much is still a lot more BH knowledge than most people know. There are a lot more DHC possibilities out there (I haven’t even given out the one that I use most often myself) and a few other things BH can do, some of which I know and I’m keeping secret and a number that I may not even have discovered yet myself.

Don’t feel bad if you blew chunks on the test. It’s my personal opinion that BH is considered so bad these days because nobody really knows any of this stuff… i.e. the BHs people are judging by are on the wrong side of most or all of these litmus test questions.

[MagnetoManiac]

nah the anakaris vids i saw were in a real match in the anakaris forum

as for bh hitting you and dhcing/switching, yeah that happens, just that BH has to use assists to connect, and the chances of BH hitting you are kinda slim.

[ParryPerson]

He’s more afraid of anakaris then he is of BH…

LOL.

[System_1]

as for bh hitting you and dhcing/switching, yeah that happens, just that BH has to use assists to connect, and the chances of BH hitting you are kinda slim.

I already know I can hit you at least twice a match:

1. When you try to dash in thinking that I’ll jumpback fierce forever, and
2. When you get into range and try to normal jump in to evade my Commando.

That’s pretty much all I need to force a win.

[MagnetoManiac]

dasrik - if you hit me AND your commando is still out and missed, how are you gonna punish it?

[Deathfist]

nah the anakaris vids i saw were in a real match in the anakaris forum

as for bh hitting you and dhcing/switching, yeah that happens, just that BH has to use assists to connect, and the chances of BH hitting you are kinda slim.

1]BH no longer needs assists to kill you with the shit I just discovered. All a BH player has to do is dlk, dmp you. If that hits, you will get DHC’d. It’ll be a whiff cancell armageddon into a HSF, or a proton cannon. So much for the need for assists.
2]BH doesen’t need to hit you. You’ll walk into enough to die just trying to hit him. And as I said earlier, even a blatantly random Capcom call or Cyclops call WILL kill you.

And Anakaris dies for free to BH. Sorry,

dasrik - if you hit me AND your commando is still out and missed, how are you gonna punish it?

see paragraph 1

Thanks for your time.

[System_1]

Nobody here has faced a great anakaris, because if hes really played right, hes very deadly. Especially if you havent faced a good one before.

[MagnetoManiac]

just watch the anakaris vids and you’ll see what i mean

a good mag wont get hit by random assists/run into deamons all day.

as for c.lk c.mpxx(what super?)xxHSF…wouldnt that be too late? will the rockets still hit? doesnt look like it, havent tried it yet but it looks like the character can recover.

[Mixah]

dasrik > magneto maniac

[ParryPerson]

duh.

[MagnetoManiac]

sigh amazing how hard people ride dasrik

bh>>>>>>>>>>>>>mag :rolleyes:

[ParryPerson]

And with that one post, you have shown your age.

You were doing pretty good up until that, for a troll.

[gouki10]

HEY I HAVE AN IDEA, lets make this thread a sticky, and rename it, calling it, the random hate because i can’t get passed the fact that it’s just a game and you can choose what character you like better for a reason thread… HAHAHA I just OWNED everyone in this thread.

jesus christ seriously everyone stfu, this is a perfect example why threads on srk suck, they start by asking a question, and then after a few post you got shit heads saying" no my dick is bigger than yours, no mine, mine, mine, mine":rolleyes:

[MagnetoManiac]

gouki, its fags like parryperson why i keep posting and posting because they just dont get it. people that are new to the game and still use team clockwork/ im\sent\cable should gtfo.

[ParryPerson]

I’m not new to the game, again showing your age and assuming that I’ve been playing for a short amount of time, I’ve been on SRK for 4 years now, and played Marvel since it came out. Way to make yourself look smart there buddy.

Lets see, 4 years ago you were what, eating mac and cheese and watching reading rainbow?

[System_1]

It’s sad because I don’t think I’m better than MagnetoManiac, I’ve just been playing longer.

ParryPerson is good too, I’ve yet to play him but I’ve spoken to him and he seems to have his head on straight.

[MagnetoManiac]

u should be thankful u live on the other side of the country, parry, because your wallet would be empty if u came near the east coast.

nah, actually 10 years ago i was playing msh and owning grown men in it

[ParryPerson]

LOL, sure kid, now your just being silly, I was playing SF2 when you were in diapers, (Or probably not even born) if you want to play the “I’m OG” game.

So when you were 4 years old you were playing MSH. Amazing.

[MagnetoManiac]

yup but thats the sf world, very different from marvel.

just give up parry. if it makes you happy u’d probably perfect me in 3s all day :rolleyes: