Typical SRKers also like to see themselves type things that they think make them look intelligent. Typical SRKers.
I also notice he Puts down and insults them when they make the RIGHT suggestions as well. So even if you think put downs and insults are justified (they’re not), House is still wrong sometimes. I don’t mean, he’s rude PLUS he’s wrong, therefore he’s “doubly bad”, I mean, he’s rude, and being right or wrong is not as relevant. First things first.
You can challenge wrong suggestions, and this process is certainly important in diagnosing medical conditions. The correct diagnosis (or, one of them, could often be more than one way to save a patient) should stand up to questioning. It does NOT mean you can do it and get away with being rude-- right OR wrong. If you’re the best diagnostician on the east coast, it doesn’t automatically mean you HAVE to be rude and sure as hell does not justify it.
This is all irrelevant.
The CHARACTER House does not give a shit whether he is JUSTIFIED to insult them, right or wrong.
You are arguing the “realistic” portion of dialogue. I don’t give a shit, the show doesn’t give a shit, the character doesn’t give a shit, and it does not pretend to portray or act that working with House is anything close to a “normal working environment” in which you base your whole argument of this rudeness on.
To sum up: irrelevant.
So what’s wrong with having a character with rude dialog. I think their purpose is to entertain. It doesn’t have to be believable. People watch movies, soaps, drama, other random stuff like that to be entertained. If people are so into things believable, why is CSI, NCIS, and 24 so popular.
Well, CSI doesn’t really have a character that’s as much of an ass as House, to be fair. And NCIS fucking sucks anyway. Of course, 24 is baller.
But really, we get you don’t like House’s attitude. Opinion noted, move on.
Dear fellow, you seem to be a troll, is there not some bridge you should be under?
Really, most viewers of the show should hopefully have enough common sense to realize that its not meant for educational purposes in medicine or social behavior.
As many have already told you it is for entertainment, people enjoy seeing bad folks and jerks sometimes. Its why Batman will always be more liked then Superman even when Batman’s paranoia sets in motion the creation of a army of super powered cyborg/robots or the JLA getting their butts kicked, while some still can’t forgive Superman for years of crappy storylines in the 90s.
Either way, don’t watch the show and don’t try to come into threads about it lecturing people on your very flawed opinions.
Interestingly enough, apparently House isn’t that good of a doctor. 
http://www.politedissent.com/house_pd.html I don’t care to check this dude’s credentials, but it’s at least an interesting read after you’ve watched an episode.
Polite Dissent is a cool site. I like how he ranks House’s rankings of diagnoses.*
- Diagnosises? I dunno what the plural for diagnosis is.
I guess I just feel that might be true if he would just be held more accountable to his own (bad) standards, more on that below. But then, there wouldn’t be much show at all as there’d be nothing much left for the characters to do.
Good question- NCIS is far worse than House, but they’re both bad for similar reasons. The CSI (one of them??) is decent enough, good show probably, from the few episodes I’ve caught of it. 24 is good and probably mostly responsible of all phenomenae in the known universe for getting voters comfortable and accepting of getting the first US black president elected, has good tension and excitement just overdoes it a bit and it gets like those video games that have stages that are ok just too long; not to say Super Mario Bros. was one but as a viewer you’re always left with the feeling “sorry but our princess is in another castle”. Misenjoyment may come in the form of habeas corpus problems though.
But NCSI with Mark Harmon is really bad. It is basically a show about a family, disguised as military agents and presented in the heirarchy of the military. You have the big/little brother/sister characters, the uncle, dad, and it really all comes down to watching all the fighting going on in the backseat of their station wagon of a shitty show. That show has about as many sarcastic remarks as House, and actually has Mark Harmon’s character swatting his underlings upside the head. Man I swear if you gave me a gun for my job as an agent, and this motherfucker tries to swat me like that, he is getting a bullet to the face at some point. The original big sister character caught a bullet to the face actually, and then all of a sudden the show went Zionist extremist with her replacement for further degradement. If you let your children watch this show unaccompanied, you should be arrested.
Yeah I realize it’s not for educational purposes- I do not watch Ally McBeal for legal advice, and I don’t watch this to learn how to become a doctor. But television, whether we admit it or not, IS watched by most viewers that DO pick up subtle social norms and ways. Re: Batman/Superman, actually forget about the 90’s, that was post Comics Code Authority, go a few decades back from THEN and see just how much of a dick Superman was. I think in recent years there was even a site for this, but it just focused on the covers to demonstrate that- I had heard it was true long before this, that Superman would do evil shit like grab guys, fly them up really high, drop them a few times, till they died of a heart attack.
Don’t watch the show? Don’t enter threads because I don’t agree with you? Don’t lecture people on my “flawed” opinions? I guess I’m sort of like …House, in this thread then, and you’re like Cuddy, no, who is it that doesn’t rock the boat, the Australian guy?
I scanned briefly over that site, looks good. People in the profession (of whatever profession is portrayed in a TV show) have always said the TV shows about the profession are inaccurate, so that isn’t new. However one thing House (the CHARACTER) cares about is being right? And how does he do this, by challenging assumptions, well basically all I have been trying to say is that I am actually not even a doctor but I can still tell you that you that his approach of sarcasing and berating the other characters /foils on the show doesn’t cure patients. When you see that kind of sarcasm, that amount, that THICK, just like in many sitcoms, you either continue to watch because you want to look down on others (probably because you feel people have looked down on you, you had a bad day etc), or like me you grow quickly tired of it and realize it simply does not get the job done anywhere nearly as effectively as you see it miraculously happen on the show and you are simply snapped right up out of the sense of disbelief.
Oh, and I will admit one thing… LL being a guest star on one episode was pretty damn cool. If there were a battle between the real LL and the fictional character House (or his real life writers of the show), LL would win hands down no question. House might be a genius, but he’s not exactly Kool Moe Dee or anything.
You’re now changing your argument. Which is okay, I guess, since your earlier one was irrelevant.
HOWEVER, you’re still missing the point.
Being nice does NOT make his work any more efficient either, not in this show. This is emphasized by his best buddies relationship with more or less the guy with the nicest facade in the show, James “Rationalization Man” Wilson.
So we’ve done with that, then you say his layered sarcasm is indicative of the audience either being bored with it, or having a bad day/some negative emotion. This, of course, has no bearing on the show either way, and is just personal preference.
So you’ve got one inaccurate argument now, and another new but nonetheless irrelevant argument again.
By the by, House is a pretty miserable person. And since you say people relate to bad days with sarcasm, well…
(ps I use all caps because it’s faster than inputting the board codes, that’s all. Hence hwy I don’t break up quoted messages either)
Diagnoses, you got it right.
Also, fuck me for liking NCIS. :rolleyes:
The Practice
The Practice, original version was one of the best shows. It forced the viewer to ask themselves “where do I stand on this issue?” and put you square in the jury box with a good case made for either side. But it was ruined when the character of Alan Shore (someone who didn’t care) was introduced in the final season, when it switched networks and lost most of the original cast, renamed to Boston Legal, and was never again on the level of the original The Practice. The subsequent disaster Boston Legal was saved by Denny Crane, a true professional, someone who CARES about stuff, making it a pretty good show just not as good as The Practice was. Denny Crane even got Alan Shore to care about stuff. When Alan didn’t care about something, the show sucked, and when he eventually did, it got better.
Darkstalker, thanks for your insight into the show and always responding so quick. btw I’m curious, Malaysia seems to have pretty good medical, especially recently. Do you know if informed consent is practiced and is the law there? If it’s any different than in the US can you tell me how exactly?
I don’t think my argument changed, not sure how you got that impression.
“HOWEVER, you’re still missing the point. Being nice does NOT make his work any more efficient either, not in this show.”
Well I suppose it would IF he would do the right thing (he always has to be right, right?) and giving his patients better quality care in a more timely manner, and not ignoring them when they’re in pain.
“This is emphasized by his best buddies relationship with more or less the guy with the nicest facade in the show, James “Rationalization Man” Wilson.”
How so? Every single character rationalizes on that show. Insults and rationalizing by way of insult. Only thing missing is the laughtrak.
“By the by, House is a pretty miserable person. And since you say people relate to bad days with sarcasm, well…”
Ah but maybe I’m really just trying to speak the language House fans enjoy so much… see how easy it is for me to justify it after the fact? I should be a character on a TV show, I’d be such a hit. Everyone just loves to hate me.
So tell me why House is miserable… all he cares about is being right, which he often is-- so he usually gets exactly what he wants. What problem could he possibly have? Convince me that he’s truly miserable. If he is, then that means your idea before that he always wants to be right is not true, because if he’s right and everything else doesn’t matter/is so irrelevant to him, then he would be the opposite of miserable.
Sorry, I have no idea how Malaysia’s health department is doing, because it’s an industry I don’t care about really. Unless I or someone close to me got injured or something.
“Well I suppose it would IF he would do the right thing (he always has to be right, right?) and giving his patients better quality care in a more timely manner, and not ignoring them when they’re in pain.”
He is not worried about giving patients better quality care. He doesn’t care. He wants to be right. If the patient dies in the process, and the symptom is unknown, he will do the autopsy asap just to make sure that he was right and some other screw up killed the patient or not. You’re mixing up professionalism with House’s obsession with being right here.
I called Wilson Rationalization Man causde that was the nickname House gave him a few eps ago. Everyone rationalizes, yes, but he’s the one that is the contrasting foil to House’s superrude with him being superaccommodating. And things don’t necessarily work out either, showing that being rude or being nice has no actual bearing in House.
“Ah but maybe I’m really just trying to speak the language House fans enjoy so much… see how easy it is for me to justify it after the fact? I should be a character on a TV show, I’d be such a hit. Everyone just loves to hate me.”
I don’t think you would be. You’re not half as funny (or as you put it, as insulting) and your arguments don’t stand either.
Besides, I don’t care what you’re maybe trying to do. You’re putting up arguments based on ignorance and inaccurate information and slandering it further with your own biases and expectations and judgments on fans of the show (which doesn’t actually add to argument anyway).
“So tell me why House is miserable… all he cares about is being right, which he often is-- so he usually gets exactly what he wants. What problem could he possibly have? Convince me that he’s truly miserable. If he is, then that means your idea before that he always wants to be right is not true, because if he’s right and everything else doesn’t matter/is so irrelevant to him, then he would be the opposite of miserable.”
Just because someone gets what they want doesn’t mean that they’re happy at all. And you don’t need to have problems to be miserable either. You can be perfectly miserable with everything and all the joys of life in the world, for various reasons.
Not to mention the leg, lack of connections to people, sometimes NOT BEING RIGHT (oh that shower stand), having nothing much else to do with his life, that issue with his father which makes little difference but depresses him anyway.
Also, just to inform you, I said he was FIXATED on being right. Nowhere did I mention that this peace and happiness to his life. Now you’re just flat out lying about what I said earlier.
See? Arguments don’t stand, and you can’t even correctly get what I said earlier.
As if that could never happen?
In some countries around Malaysia, standard practice does NOT include informed consent. Say for example you get cancer and a short life expectancy. The doctor wouldn’t even tell you.
Of all hospital patients, just about ZERO % of them expected, planned or hoped to be patients in the hospital before they had to go there.
Actually it does btw, otherwise they wouldn’t really want it in the first place. Maybe the reason I just don’t get it yet is because you don’t always make logical sense. I’m not lying about what you said, I’m just trying to get it, get why so many people actually like this show; I really want to know. If House were willing, he would be more than welcome to practice in Malaysia, because many areas esp. outside its big cities have no specialists, let alone highly trained diagnosticians.
Well then, if that were the case, maybe being right all the time is NOT in fact what he truly wants then, is it? I mean gee, such a deep story, he’s miserable because he’s rude, yet doesn’t want to change his behavior to improve his situation because it would compromise his fixation on being right… sorry why is that so interesting? Some great commentary on life I’m missing?
Actually I thought the leg was just a constant red herring. How is it all that significant to the show or his character, anyways?
"As if that could never happen?
In some countries around Malaysia, standard practice does NOT include informed consent. Say for example you get cancer and a short life expectancy. The doctor wouldn’t even tell you.
Of all hospital patients, just about ZERO % of them did NOT expect or hope to be patients in the hospital before they had to go there."
No, as in medicine doesn’t interest me as a practise. As opposed to those that are, you know, actually interested in it, or want to work in the field.
“Well then, if that were the case, maybe being right all the time is NOT in fact what he truly wants then, is it? I mean gee, such a deep story, he’s miserable because he’s rude, yet doesn’t want to change his behavior to improve his situation because it would compromise his fixation on being right… sorry why is that so interesting? Some great commentary on life I’m missing?”
I never said it’s what he truly wants. He is just obsessed with being right. Again, you’re linking unrelated things. And even if it’s what he truly wants, that wouldn’t automatically make him happy either. Wanting something is a conscious decision. If you think something will make you happy, you’ll want it. Doesn’t mean that it will, nor will it suddenly erase your misery (unless the two are directly related to each other).
And you are pretty much lying about what I stated. Just because you did so in a means to understand why people like the show doesn’t make it any less of a lie.
Besides, I don’t care why anyone would think that makes it so interesting or not. Why people like something is their own personal decision. If you don’t find it interesting, okay. Why make this more complicated than it should be? You’re interested in why people like the show? We’re telling you. You don’t like the answers? Tough luck. Your suppositions and justifications wouldn’t change why we like the show, nor would it change why you dislike it either.
As for leg = vicodin (spelling?) = drug addiction used to control his pain. Watch the eps where he’s taken off them. Or watch end of Season 2, beginning of Season 3. I’m sure there’re other eps where the leg is significant, but it’s been somet ime and those are the ones that stand out.
And so many times, your comments and criticisms are based centrally on House, and ignore the presence of other characters. It’s not just about a genius doctor being a huge jackass. It’s about that same genius jackass doctor and the other people in his life.
Ok, well I’d say there’s a big correlation that he’d be smart enough to realize on his own, but maybe you look at it like, being right is just another addiction of his. Would you agree with that? He abuses “being right” to justify rudeness, in that sense. Would you agree that House is like an overweight person who doesn’t WANT donuts, but is nonetheless FANATIC about buying and eating them everyday?
Well the show is called House, not Doc Wilson. btw Wilson isn’t superaccomodating, if anything it’s all the other doctors like Cuddy, and the ones in his group. Anyways why don’t you tell me about the other characters. The other doctors in his group are smart enough to be in his group, but Chase is not as good, Cameron is a slut, and the other guy is being corrupted by House disease. But their subplots all converge around one purpose: Insults and filling the show’s dialogue with insults and rationalizations.
The only thing missing is the lafftrack.
“Ok, well I’d say there’s a big correlation that he’d be smart enough to realize on his own, but maybe you look at it like, being right is just another addiction of his. Would you agree with that? He abuses “being right” to justify rudeness, in that sense. Would you agree that House is like an overweight person who doesn’t WANT donuts, but is nonetheless FANATIC about buying and eating them everyday?”
He is fixated on being right.
Whether he wants to or not, I don’t care.
“Well the show is called House, not Doc Wilson. btw Wilson isn’t superaccomodating, if anything it’s all the other doctors like Cuddy, and the ones in his group. Anyways why don’t you tell me about the other characters. The other doctors in his group are smart enough to be in his group, but Chase is not as good, Cameron is a slut, and the other guy is being corrupted by House disease. But their subplots all converge around one purpose: Insults and filling the show’s dialogue with insults and rationalizations.”
No, Wilson is super accommodating. He takes the opposite approach to House’s treatment of patients (he goes over personally, breaks the news, sometimes dates them too). Neither treatment has been shown to consistently help with diagnoses.
Chase is awesome. He’s gotten at least 2 diagnoses right (as opposed to the other two’s ZERO). No idea where you got that from. Cameron is clingy. Foreman is boring House-lite.
Not to mention the new doctors.
Like I said, you’re definitely posting in ignorance.
“But their subplots all converge around one purpose: Insults and filling the show’s dialogue with insults and rationalizations.”
So?
I don’t care when it does this, I don’t care when it doesn’t do this either.
You’re the one with a problem with it, not me. You justify it. I don’t give a shit.
This show is the same EVERY episode. Without the boring ass jobbers he has working for him the show wouldn’t have many episodes. It’s hard to be right all the time if no one is disagreeing with you so that is their purpose. It’s the same every time. Burn Notice is the same way, though but it’s still amazing.
But Wilson is in a completely separate group altogether, isn’t he? I don’t think he is a diagnostician. His specialty is cancer and deals with different patients, unless there is some special condition to get House’s group involved.
Other two’s zero? First of all, their process is all fucked up about how they keep points for that sort of thing, but whatever, even by their count I’m sure the others have more than zero. At least one episode, Chase (the Australian right) was getting known for agreeing too much, particularly after the time he almost got disbarred(? or whatever it is for doctors). He messed up a diagnosis after he got an emotional, heartfelt, touchy-feely phone call about his father or something like that, and he went up to face a board review that almost cost him his career.
Cameron is clingy to her wet panties maybe. She uses Chase as a sex object last I saw.
Foreman is more of a human being than House, who does not live on drugs alone. If he were so boring, House wouldn’t talk to him so much (only talks to those he respects you said), let alone steal him from a life of crime.
And you’re calling me ignorant. Are we even watching the same show?
Yeah well ah, me thinkth thou doth protestheth too mucheth. But I’m sure you’ll tell me how much I’m wrong in your next reply. Again thanks for being so prompt with all of this.
Chase really was right twice. He was also the only one ever chided for being SO wrong. Sure, 13 killed that dude’s dog, Cutner lit someone on fire, Foreman… so bad and Cameron is hot. Given, Chase was only right those times because House was too strung out… but… They’re not there to diagnose, they’re there to help House bouce ideas so he doesn’t have to use the janitor. They’re literally no more than a means to an end. Besides, why would someone so smart have to do the work on their own?
And as far as him being right goes, he is… about it being his opinion. You have your’s and he has his. His just seem to be based more on watching the show and your’s based on very little. All doctors are diagnosticians. I mean look at the ones he’s got working for hi mnow. One of them was a damned plastic surgeon. I doubt he had Diagnostician on his resume before this job. And Wilson has known House for YEARS now and has probably picked up a few things along the way other than a desire to not enable all the while enabling.