Just FYI for anyone who hasnt tried kuro buttons
they are VERY stiff compared to sanwa
if you use double tapping within your play it can be pretty difficult to do quickly … I MUCH prefer sanwa parts for this reason …in fact I ended up with both sanwa stick and buttons in my fighting edge
the hayabusa stick and kuro buttons are extremely high quality though very very nice …just not for everyone
So, you have at least TRIED these parts that you’re writing off, right?
I have tried two Fighting Edge sticks on two seperate occasions from two different people and both sticks felt bad to me and ironically both people hated the Fighting Edge and said they were getting rid of it as soon as they could. Opinions and all, some people really like the Fighting Edge, I would rather play on a pad than those parts.
I kind of think the HRAP V3/VX case might be cheaper for Hori to manufacture. It doesn’t top-load like most of the other HRAP’s can and it has a smaller form factor and uses fewer parts. It has more plastic to it, too. The other HRAP’s are a bit bigger and feature both removable metal faceplates and metal baseplates.
Other that that, I agree that the most likely reason the HRAP V3/VX is the dominant HRAP form now is because of a tie-in to the the Taito Viewlix panels that Hori is currently providing Hayabusa and Kuro parts for…
… Speaking of which, there have been rumors and even informal polls taken to see if stick collectors wouldn’t mind buying another HRAP VLX. If that happened, it would most likely be released for PS4 and XBox One and probably come with the new Hori parts installed, too.
I’m surprised about some of the complaints expressed about the Hori parts… The Hayabusa is about the most LS-32-like joystick out there this side of the Zippyy clone-stick. Most of the consensus of people who have used Kuros long term is that once they’re broken in they feel most like the Sanwa buttons. I guess people didn’t play with the joysticks long enough or wanted their buttons softer from Day One. Go figure!
I agree @GeorgeC, people will pick up new hardware and play for an hour or two and not be able to nail that combo and then they write it off to the hardware. There is always going to be an adjustment period which the ADD gamers of today just don’t have the patience for. I just got some Kuro’s yesterday and haven’t installed them yet but I find it hard to believe that they feel like Sanwa. They are much stiffer than Sanwa and the plunger sits hiiiiiigh. Seems higher than Seimitsu but I haven’t had a chance to put them side by side yet.
Because you’re paying that amount for genuine arcade parts, and guess what the Taito Vewlix comes with these days. Yep, Hayabusa lever and Kuro buttons.
On a related note, I recall flat out calling something “trash” in a thread about it is looked down upon in these parts and borderline rulebreaking.
Sell the stock parts to someone who would want them.
Well it’s not like I came into this thread just saying Hori sucks and everyone who buys Hori is an idiot. I was excited to hear about this stick but I’m disappointed at the parts it uses, and I was asked why the parts were a deal breaker. If no one asked me about my opinion on the parts I wouldn’t have said anything. It’s also a thread about the stick, not the parts, and as far as the stick is concerned, I’m waiting for a Sanwa version to care about it.
To be honest, I’m kind of borderline guilty on writing off some hardware, too.
(At least I tried using the JLF for over a year before I gave up on that imperfect match!)
I’ve mentioned before that I own a Hori HRAP 3 SE. I bought it through Akihabarashop.jp when it was on pre-order… Hori probably manufactured fewer than a 1,000 of these. That joystick case was my first exposure to Seimitsu parts and the LS-32-01 in particular. The LS-32 made a huge, positive impact on me fairly quickly. It was just more compatible with my gameplay and more useable across game genres than the JLF was for me, period.
My HRAP 3 SE is far from stock condition… I still have the original LS-32-01 in it BUT the buttons are a mix of Sanwa OBSF-24 (white plunger with black rims to emulate the original 24mm PS-14-D pushbuttons which I should have kept in retrospect – I no longer see a point in swapping out 24mm buttons anymore unless they’re going to be your main action buttons) and 30mm Seimitsu PS-15 pushbuttons with SW-68 microswitches installed.
I wasn’t a fan of the 30mm Seimitsu PS-14-G pushbuttons installed in the HRAP 3 SE and sold those to another SRK member. Useable button, yes, but not as comfortable to me long-term as the Sanwa’s.
The Seimitsu PS-15 just wasn’t comfortable to me from Day One… I got the button because it had a form factor (plunger) like the Sanwa’s but was still a Seimitsu part and I wanted to keep my HRAP 3 SE as Seimitsu-like as possible. For two days, I honestly tried to get used to the stock PS-15’s and “wear down” the microswitches but they never got that comfortable even though it seemed like after a while that the switches were getting worn down – very slowly. I installed extra/surplus SW-68 microswitches into the PS-15 casing on the recommendation of RealNeoGeo and the rest is history… The PS-15’s with the SW-68 part installed is probably the third most-comfortable pushbutton I use after the Sanwa OBSF’s and Seimitsu Pearl buttons! The weird thing is that the Pearl button uses the same microswitch that was originally installed in the PS-15 and it’s perfectly comfortable in stock condition — most comfortable stock Seimitsu button I’ve played with, period — but the same part in the PS-15 pushbutton casing was too hard on my fingers.
I feel like I’ve heard this story before 
Just don’t go around saying “xxx is trash”. That’s the best way to start fights over here, especially considering that you also are involved with another product (HitBox) and some people will be quick to jump onto that fact.
In one corner, Killer Instinct, MadCatz and Xbone vs the other corner, Guilty Gear Xrd, Hori and Sony!
Just jesting a little guys, don’t take that serious. I know console wars are serious business for some lol.
Honestly, I do understand his viewpoint very much so. Whether the Hayabusa and Kuro buttons are quality or not is subjective, like any arcade stick build, its personal. Thing is though, if one is spending over $200 perhaps even $300 for say a new model VLX, I don’t think it is shocking that many would want tried and true Sanwa. The new age Hori gear may be fine, even amazing to some but Sanwa is just the standard for many. If I had that decision, I would honestly want the Sanwa in my fightstick as well, because at the very least I KNOW I can trust the quality. I don’t think people mind trying new things, just not at premium prices.
It makes me glad to have an EX-SE and to have started out on that before buying the NX. I got to learn the feel for Seimitsu quality and Sanwa quality. Some swear by Sanwa and the JLF, others such as myself prefer Seimitsu and the LS-32. Its all personal really but when one is spending considerable money, they deserve to be picky if it means the difference between a satisfied or unsatisfied customer.
The problem with that is Hayabusa and Kuro are getting good critical responses from top level players and in general. Just as there are Sanwa detractors, there will be the same for Hori.
Thing is, it makes no financial sense to use Sanwa anymore for Hori. They can make HRAP’s, FE’s, and so on, all with in house stuff which is much cheaper for them. If in a few years this gamble turned out good and people love the Hori name as much as Sanwa, then they’ll have scored pretty big having to not rely on third party parts, buying agreements, and so on. It makes sense for them to move on and use their own parts now.
If more arcade vendors like Taito choose to stock Hori parts, then they’ll be in a pretty good spot.
Considering Microsoft’s insidious ‘vision’ of the future (for example*) it should be serious business for everyone…
*Even worse than Vista. If you can imagine that.
Wow, that’s gold!
I’ve been dealing with people saying Hit Box is terrible since we started in 2010, it’s nothing I get upset over. If people like the Kuro buttons that’s fine, I just don’t want a stick that has them.
Been away for quite awhile (bout 5-6 years… O_o lol), my account was deleted. Oh well, still got the same username back so can’t complain. lol
Well, for those interested in the stick once it drops, but not the Hayabusa or Kuros I’ll gladly buy the Hayabusa off of them (well, one of them lol). I don’t want the Kuros tho…
When I first saw the Headline I was excited, but I was quickly disappointed. This isn’t the next gen Hori Real Arcade Pro I was looking for.
Guess I gotta wait longer for the Real Arcade Pro 4.
Well I think in fairness, if Hori is producing quality arcade parts again it would be kinda stupid of them (from a business standpoint) to not use your own product in another one of your own products. I imagine it costs Hori much less to make their parts than to buy the parts of a (now) competitor. That and they also want to promote and advertise their parts. No criticism to someone not liking the parts or anything (that’s awesome that you don’t like them, it keeps diversity in the market) but I’m sure you understand why Hori chooses to use the parts they manufacture over another.