He liked the cross up normal kick(I don’t know what it is called into EX legs thing, but I just predicted the cross up, blocked, two shorts into tiger knee. tiger uppercut might do more damage, but knee puts them farther towards a corner and gives you more space IMO. Maybe I am wrong on that one.
High tier is generally more fun to play as. They usually have more options, or just overpowered ones. Just pick who you like to play as, generally someone whose playstyle works for you, and focus on matchups.
So, he was just trying to abuse df+hk. That works against wakeup TU’s in online fights but that’s about it. Well I don’t think he has any justification to bitch then 
As a Chun player I love fighting Sagat. I actually find him fun to play against - much more so than a solid Ryu. And if it’s a good Sagat, it’s a real test for me - as I do have to work to win. But I wouldn’t play Chun if I didn’t want to do the work. If it’s a bad Sagat…it’s a free win, with the added bonus of knowing they’ve picked him because he’s top tier and put no effort into learning him.
Know what, I was actually just searching for videos of Daigo playing Dan. I was searching Daigo Dan on YouTube.
Couldn’t find any though…
If you genuinely like playing him then go for it, but if you are just useing him as a win machine you will eventualy end up disapointed because no matter who you pick you are still going to take losses like everyone else when you come across someone better.
Unless you actualy have the drive to keep getting better picking high tier for the win will only work around people at a similar level of skill or less, and even then it won’t work all the time, it’s not a free pass to the win, play whoever you like but just keep that in mind.
Use a character who you like, forget tiers. I used to main Ryu, then switched to Sagat but found him both very boring and easy to use and win with doing little more than proper zoning, TS spam and HK. Recently i’ve switched to Akuma/Balrog and have a lot more fun using them, and I know they’re both high tier but my point is; don’t pick someone because they’re good, the fun factor of winning will be short lived.
Tiers will only matter to you at higher levels of play. Otherwise it shouldn’t matter at all. I being a beginner at Fuerte with terrible excution have won against a bad sagat before.
i actually wanted to pick up on fuerte because of his mix up potential being wild and frustrating, thinking that this is what makes fuerte an extremely good character. To my surprise he’s not even that high up on the tier list as I had thought originally, oh well. it’s fun using him as i still find doing all this mix up extremely confusing it confuses me at times.
Tiers matter at every level of play, just maybe the tier list will look lsightly different at different levels.
We are all just reiterating the same few opinions at this point and giving examples to substantiate them. I’ll bullet point a few:
*Play who you enjoy
*… unless you value winning more than the gameplay experience itself in which case you might have to pick a character with better tools
*People that complain about who their opponent picks are scrubs
*People that pick who they perceive as the most powerful aren’t doing wrong
*The relevance of tier lists will vary depending on the skill of the players and MORE IMPORTANTLY the gulf between the two players’ skill levels
*Tier lists themselves are NOT indicative of the most powerful character rather the collective skill of the pool of players used to compile the data and the match ups therein, HOWEVER the characters picked in said data will usually be skewed towards the more powerful characters seeing as how most will value winning very highly and shy away from characters with weaker or less tools
*Commonly used characters will have a slight disadvantage due to the opponents familiarity with the match up, HOWEVER this may not necessarily outweigh that character’s inherent advantages over the less commonly used character (if any)
*Online play is NOT useful for determining the actual strength of a character as certain character designs or the scenarios in which certain specific moves can be used are changed by the inclusion of lag
*A beginning player that picks a weak character and complains of his loses is an equal and opposite asshole to the scrub that picks a high tier character and lords up his victories over other novices
I miss anything?
I am not sure about who I should go with as a main, so I have been alternating. Sometimes I get beaten as Sim and rematch to beat them with Sagat, and sometimes it goes the other way around. I think it goes back to the “double-edged sword” thing, some people really don’t understand that match. However, people who do play characters like Akuma or Rufus completly roll over my Sim, every time.
In favor of going with Sagat (or possibly another super high tier character for SSF4):
*Maybe one day we find out the x technique makes playing some of the lower characters compltly invailed. Like, Zangief on your team in MvC2 kind of bad. You can’t win with them anymore, ever, so all of your playing up to know is down the drain.
*I just get more wins with this guy. I agree that he is the best character in the game, there is nothing he can’t easily deal with. I want to take my skill as far as it will go, why handicap myself?
*according to my records andthe matchup data, I am a better player as Sagat. the 5-5 matches with Sagat I win all the time while the 4-9 Sim matches I never win.
In favor of Dahlsim:
*He adds a chalenging factor to the game. He is much harder to learn and has alot more “techniques” than Sagat. Sagat has a few really amazingly good options, Sim has alot of weak ones and possibly one okay one.
*I hae been playing him for awhile. Why throw away that hard work?
*Plently of people are succesful playing the low/mid tiers in this game at least for now, why can’t I be?
I feel like there is something I am missing. If everyone plays the character they play best with, shouldn’t everyone be playing top-tiers? Buy people still play Sim, Chun, and Honda, so why? I know some people might find them more fun, but I mean peopl play them in tournaments and stuff. Why stack the cards against you when you can make them work for you?
If you want to be the best you have to use the best.
The people who complain are just people who cant learn matchups.
That’s not necessarily true. Some folks (myself included) find that the top tier characters just don’t mesh well with their playstyles or tendencies.
^ Exactly!
I’ve always wanted to use Sagat and Rufus because I’m convinced that they have very good moves along with high stamina.
But I still don’t use them. Only because they don’t “feel” right.
I disagree, I feel that unless the matchup is horribly skewed like Nu v. Tager in CT or most low tier vs. high tier in Marvel, any character can win. Even then, some people can beast even with low tier in a tourney. Just look at VDO or Inomata. I also remember a JP player beasting with Sean in a SF3 ranbat
knowing match-ups and knowing your character far out-weighs what tier they are in. Jwong using fei-long is a good example of that.
I have an opinion that people will probably dislike, but here goes.
I think that picking a top tier character won’t necessarily increase your chances of winning.
In my personal opinion, it isn’t the character with the best matchups, but the character that most fits your playstyle that will increase your chances of winning. For example:
Nobody can argue that Sagat has better matchups than Rufus, but it seems to me that someone like Justin Wong just isn’t built to play defense and zoning, he’s a man who plays rushdown.
Now I might be 100% wrong, but I don’t feel like Justin would have won as much if he had picked Sagat, it just isn’t his style(from what I see).
He found a character with good matchups that fit his style, and I think THAT is much more important than just having good matchups.
And on a side note, I still say that Sagat is WAY harder to use than people give him credit for.
I think Sagat is also not as easy to use as most people say.
Let’s think of tiers this way:
Given ANY character, aren’t we always trying to pull of their BnB combo’s? Or if we’re not good enough to pull them off, we use the best combo we’re capable of executing? I mean, every single decent Akuma is using his LK Tatsu > HP Shoryu/LP Shoryu > FADC > HP Shaku instead of any other combo whenever they get the chance to. Why? Because it’s the best combo he’s got. It’s his top tier combo. Yet no one complains about using “top tier” combos. Only “top tier” chars.
Totally inconsistent and illogical.
True, but you forget that the combo is already there. You have the option of doing the most damage or not doing the most damage. When you pick a character you have to think about how proficient you are with them, and how well you can use their tools to make you preform better. I’ve seen people who beast with mid-low tier characters, and then they will honestly try to play a top tier or a high tier (and a bunch of them) and yet they just can’t utilize them like they can with the mid tier.
Think of it this way, you have a certain potential with every character given your playstyle and skill, and even your knowledge of matchups. You can practice and raise your level with these characters, but sometimes you just can’t make yourself play better with Dhalsim or Zangief, but when you play Viper or Sagat or whoever, you can do better. You feel more in tune with whats going on in game and you can preform better.
So just pick someone, stick with them and figure out what makes them tick. Play every character and figure out how you would play them and see how others play them. Know what they can and should be doing. Now you can pick who you know you preform best with, not J Wong or Sanford, but who you can win with. Then you take that character as far as you can take them and keep pushing your limits. Tier lists are more of a guideline of who uses the game system the best, they can’t predict how players will react.
However, be honest with yourself. You have to realize that your Dan potential is generally not going to be higher than your Ryu potential; it’s a hard fact. Playing who you like the most isn’t always who you do best with, nor is it the best tiered character.
Enough vague crap now, Know your tools and your matchups and play.
What?
The potential combo damage of characters, as well as how easy it is to land said combow is one of the things that sets them on the tier they’re on.
Example of what? I remember seeing him get beasted pretty hard by daigo when using fei long, and when I’ve seen him play fei against other players he doesn’t seem to do as well either, except against players you’d expect him to walk all over anyway.
Uhmm, I wasn’t talking about how chars end up on the tier level they’re on. It was about how selecting one’s BnB combos are similar to selecting a character based on effectiveness/power (if that’s how someone picks a char). So I’m not quite sure if you’re disagreeing with me or if you’re pointing out something different. =)