Where’s Jagi man?:mad:
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This is the vid
Dude…are you serious?? Jagi was quite the low-tier villain.
Speaking of which, they say in the manga & anime that Jagi mostly trained with Raoh in their dojo days with ryuken. How the hell can someone train for years and YEARS with a top-tier badass like Raoh, and still end up like that?!
You’d think he would have taken SOMETHING away from all that and learned a good bit. Instead he just fought like a lowly thug and lost like one too.
The other 3 Hokuto brothers were nigh-equal to one another. How did jagi be the one to fall through the cracks so badly?
He must have made a shitty sparring partner for Raoh.
I think Raoh is quite one dimensional and has little character as villains are concerned. Yes he’s powerful but he as almost a tranquil quality about him. Jagi in a way contains the most depth among all of the HNK characters as he represents the complete opposite of Ken who just does what is good because people are supposed to do good.
Jagi successfully manipulates every character he comes in contact with and is one of the most intensely focused in the entire series. He brings an added dimension and life to the story that no other character does. Where he fails with natural talent he succeeds with intelligence. Ken is very straightforward and you always know what he will do. Pretty much the same with every character.
What I want to know is how he got involved with Ryuken and became a student in the first place - was this ever explained in the manga?
Jagi intelligent? He was a fool and fought like one too. Any dirty tricks he tried on kenshiro always failed. Also took kenshiro significantly LESS effort to kill him than any other villain.
Jagi came and went in the span of maybe, 2 episodes, out of a 152 episode series. After that he was never seen again, and from then onward the story just forgets he even existed, aside from being shown in flashbacks.
When they talk about the legend of the hokuto competition for sucessorship, it’s only the “3 hokuto brothers”. Even in those portraits and stuff showing them all together, jagi is always missing. They really swept him under the rug pretty quick.
Also the only one he managed to manipulate successfully was Shin, and i’m inclined to believe that just about ANYONE could have convinced shin to do what he did. Most likely Shin’s jealousy & rage was brewing for years before then, all it took for him to snap was a little encouragement.
So yeah in the end Jagi is cool in his own way, but as far as everything else goes, he is a low-tier villain and disgrace to Hokuto Shin Ken.
Thanks for posting! I Love that tune ever since i first heard it in that Raoh Gaiden movie. Badass.
By the way have you seen any of that new Raoh anime?
Really? I see Raoh as the standard for a shonen villain. Raoh has much more to him than you seem to see. Jagi is such a shit tier villain in comparison.
QFT!!! I’ve always touted Jagi’s main strength as a Conniver to be his greatest asset. His physical fighting may have sucked balls, but his mental fighting was top notch. All of his conniving schemes and machinations set the stage for many of the events in Hokuto No Ken. I’d say he was even a better manipulator than Yuda, sure, Yuda was a stronger fighter, but Jagi was the one who orchestrated the plot that would bring Hokuto/Nanto on a full collision course.
I really like how True Grave makes Jagi seem like a non-existant entity, when every time the Hokuto Brothers are portrayed in artwork/merchandise, it’s all 4 of them together. The Gaiden ovas call them the “Three Hokuto Brothers” but in damn near any representation of Hokuto Shinken except the new gaiden ovas, it’s always included all for of them. :rolleyes:
Also, Jagi could easily solo any thug in hokuto no ken, but the major martial artists are the ones who would destroy him. Don’t even get me started with the “Kenshiro beat him with no effort making him weak” Hell, Kenshiro one shotted Devil Rebirth, but does that mean any fighter in the series could take him on? Get the fuck out of here.
is the last movie out? how was it?
who has there own tv series, jagi or raoh, nuff said
Does anyone have any subbed of the new Raoh anime? I only have up to episode 5, and I want to continue watching.
Also, like what fistoftheryustar said, is the new Kenshiro OVA out and subbed yet?
Like i said, not only is jagi a lousy fighter & person in comparison to the other 3, he is also virtually FORGOTTEN about after he dies in both the manga as well as the anime(aside from occasional flashbacks). Any time someone in the show mentioned the legend of the hokuto successorship, jagi was not shown.
He really was the black sheep of the group, to the point where he is barely acknowledged.
And i dare you to show me one of those portrait type pictures “proudly” showing the hokuto brothers that includes jagi among them. I’ve never seen one. The arc sytem fighting game for example, in the ending it shows the faces of all the masters, jagi not present. Which is as good an example as any of what i’m talking about.
Its not just his lack of fighting ability that makes him weak, he is also a very weak-minded person. With no morals, honor, or pride in himself.
Using stuff like guns & other weapons in a fight.
That’s the whole point. Ken is supposed to represent an unmovable justice whereas Jagi represents a focused chaos. It’s like Yin and Yang. Even Raoh gets shook by Ken and spends dozens of episodes trying to get up the nerve to face him again.
Every character, even the villains seem to have a sob story except for Jagi. Souther enslaves an army of children and even he breaks down emotionally when his life is at end. Jagi’s hatred is so intense that even as his head is going into explode mode he exclaiming how Ken should die. Almost every character about to die cried a river for Ken to stop the pain except for Jagi.
Like Bewd said he ignited the conflict between the two schools. By manipulating Shin, he manipulated Ken and Raoh. The 2 strongest characters in the series. Maybe I am pulling a little here, but I think Jagi is supposed to represent the demise of that civilized world before and after the nuclear war occurred.
Like you said he was swept under the rug but it wasn’t a mistake when putting him in the story. It wouldn’t have been the same without him.
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Btw, big thumbs up on Riot Guard’s post.
Can somebody tell me when they switched from a red mask to the yellow mask?
I think a lot of what you said further proved how weak a character Jagi is. He’s evil for the sake of being evil. Having a sob story like Souther, Raoh, or even Shin doesn’t make them lame. It’s called character development. There’s a reason even the creators forgot about Jagi: He’s forgettable!
I like Jagi, but he’s no Raoh.
He didn’t ignite the conflict, the only thing he had a hand in was Kenshiro Vs Shin. Any other Hokuto Vs Nanto stuff had nothing to do with him.
And no one manipulates Raoh.
Or Souther! :bgrin:
If Jagi is so forgettable I wonder why they kept him in the movie instead of Souther, Yuda and Toki? Even the psychic General, the warden, Jackal, and Zender were in the movie. Even Heart who was labeled as Jagi’s body guard.
Also, during the Shin vs. Ken battle Jagi reminds Raoh of what will happen since he was not chosen as the successor to Hokuto. Jagi figured Raoh would kill Ken and then he could attempt to kill Raoh once he was weakened.
As far as character development, what good is it if every prominent villain’s development unfolds in the same way.
Jagi having his own series. What would be the point? It would change the very essence of his character. He is the combined symbolism of every thug times 10. He is supposed to represent what Ken hates most which was the end of civilization. Even Rei had a dark side when he thought of taking Mamiya against her will. Notice that Ken didn’t have that much of a hatred for Raoh atleast not in comparison to Raoh. Jagi makes Ken more memorable because he was needed for Ken’s development.
Bewd- Good find. I remember seein that pic.
I was speaking more along the lines of what is shown both in the intro & end credits, of the Arcade fighter. That portrait-style picture with the faces of all the masters on it. Both of which have Jagi omitted.
And for every pic that includes himwith the group, there are twice as many with him not shown. I’ve seen the entire original anime and nearly everytime someone recounted the story of the hokuto brothers and a similar picture appeared like described above, jagi was not there.
Heck, near the beginning of Hokuto No Ken 2, an old man is shown in some cave somewhere stone chiseling out a sculpture which shows the heads of everyone together(hokuto & nanto). Guess who was again not among them? Yup.
It was just a movie, nowhere near enough time to pack everyone into it.
Again that was the movie, which is not part of the original anime & manga continuity. Raoh is too smart to let someone as weak minded and foolish as jagi manipulate him anyway.
Raoh always had his own agenda and plans, and no way would he let someone like him derail that.