"Hey! Let's do this for real." Concept/Discovery/Match-up Videos

[spookydonkey]

ahh you never replied as to how you fared in the rest of the tourney!
no matter, i watched the rest of the vids from winnerstayson’s channel… im guessing yota’s fei is whats got you in the lab cooking up those unblockables & char specifics

that jb.jab… the first time i saw it, it looked like an instant overhead on ruf. had to hit that rewiiiind lol

also: i messed around a bit last night w/that sweep combo… couldnt get the sweep to connect, it always barely missed(spacing not timing… which, it feels like really quick timing on those last links!). ill prolly mess around w/it more today.

[ice_rei]

ahh you never replied as to how you fared in the rest of the tourney!
no matter, i watched the rest of the vids from winnerstayson’s channel… im guessing yota’s fei is whats got you in the lab cooking up those unblockables & char specifics

that jb.jab… the first time i saw it, it looked like an instant overhead on ruf. had to hit that rewiiiind lol

also: i messed around a bit last night w/that sweep combo… couldnt get the sweep to connect, it always barely missed(spacing not timing… which, it feels like really quick timing on those last links!). ill prolly mess around w/it more today.

Ahh yes sorry! Yeah it was yota who sent me to losers then a rematch from groups with kb1121, sick ryu player. To tell the truth, there’s a 3 v 3 tourney coming up and there’s a lot of beastly teams so I’m finding stuff out in advance for it.

Also with the new sweep combo, it’s better to do the s.LP really early. The link to sweep is quick as well. I think it’s practical because you can confirm the hit. You might see me use it in the next tournies lol.

As for the jb.LP it works as a fuzzy guard tool but I used it as on his wakeup just incase he decided to ex messiah.

[HunterSFL]

Miscellaneous Cody Tricks

Here’s the list of who the LP CU -> EX CU juggle works on, and the list of who you can do HP CU -> hold up forward for a safe jump on. I didn’t post this list anywhere else because there’s a few I want to double check, because I tested this months ago. Besides that, I think all the people that actually care are here, so I can still get the information out.

		Corner LP CU EX CU	CU quickrise
Abel			Y			N
Adon			N			N (fixed)
Akuma			N			N
Balrog			Y			N
Blanka			Y			N
C. Viper		N			Y
Cammy			Y			N
Chun Li			N			Y
Cody			Y			N
Dan			Y			N
Dee Jay			N			N
Dhalsim			Y (hard)		N
Dudley			Y			N
E. Honda		N			Y
El Fuerte		N			N
Fei Long		N			Y
Gen			N			Y
Gouken			N			Y
Guile			Y (hard)		N
Guy			Y			N
Hakan			N			N
Ibuki			Y			N
Juri			N			Y
Ken			Y			N
M. Bison		Y			N
Makoto			Y			N
Rose			Y			N
Rufus			Y			N
Ryu			Y			N
Sagat			Y			N
Sakura			N			Y
Seth			Y			N
T. Hawk			Y			N
Vega			Y			N
Zangief			Y			N

Also, you can see how there is a correlation where if the LP CU -> EX CU doesn’t work on the character, the HP CU -> jump is usually a safe jump. Basically, there’s just some exceptions where they had a reversal that can’t be safe jumped to begin with like Akuma, DeeJay, and Fuerte.

Also, I commented on the news post that I’m pretty sad because I realized right after I released the video that I could have done a better combo for the second to last combo. Instead of meaty cl.MP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk, I could have done cl.HP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk. Not only is it more damage/stun, but it’s actually also easier, because you can just hold the HP when you hit cl.HP, and then release it for the zonk for a perfectly timed level 1 zonk.

Oh well. The cl.MP combo still looks pretty sweet :wgrin:.

[IjojoI]

Miscellaneous Cody Tricks

Here’s the list of who the LP CU -> EX CU juggle works on, and the list of who you can do HP CU -> hold up forward for a safe jump on. I didn’t post this list anywhere else because there’s a few I want to double check, because I tested this months ago. Besides that, I think all the people that actually care are here, so I can still get the information out.

		Corner LP CU EX CU	CU quickrise
Abel			Y			N
Adon			N			Y
Akuma			N			N
Balrog			Y			N
Blanka			Y			N
C. Viper		N			Y
Cammy			Y			N
Chun Li			N			Y
Cody			Y			N
Dan			Y			N
Dee Jay			N			N
Dhalsim			Y (hard)		N
Dudley			Y			N
E. Honda		N			Y
El Fuerte		N			N
Fei Long		N			Y
Gen			N			Y
Gouken			N			Y
Guile			Y (hard)		N
Guy			Y			N
Hakan			N			N
Ibuki			Y			N
Juri			N			Y
Ken			Y			N
M. Bison		Y			N
Makoto			Y			N
Rose			Y			N
Rufus			Y			N
Ryu			Y			N
Sagat			Y			N
Sakura			N			Y
Seth			Y			N
T. Hawk			Y			N
Vega			Y			N
Zangief			Y			N

Also, you can see how there is a correlation where if the LP CU -> EX CU doesn’t work on the character, the HP CU -> jump is usually a safe jump. Basically, there’s just some exceptions where they had a reversal that can’t be safe jumped to begin with like Akuma, DeeJay, and Fuerte.

Also, I commented on the news post that I’m pretty sad because I realized right after I released the video that I could have done a better combo for the second to last combo. Instead of meaty cl.MP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk, I could have done cl.HP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk. Not only is it more damage/stun, but it’s actually also easier, because you can just hold the HP when you hit cl.HP, and then release it for the zonk for a perfectly timed level 1 zonk.

Oh well. The cl.MP combo still looks pretty sweet :wgrin:.

Great work.

Though I’m having some trouble connecting cl.HP to t.MP. Does it require very strict timing?

[spookydonkey]

Miscellaneous Cody Tricks

Here’s the list of who the LP CU -> EX CU juggle works on, and the list of who you can do HP CU -> hold up forward for a safe jump on. I didn’t post this list anywhere else because there’s a few I want to double check, because I tested this months ago. Besides that, I think all the people that actually care are here, so I can still get the information out.

Also, you can see how there is a correlation where if the LP CU -> EX CU doesn’t work on the character, the HP CU -> jump is usually a safe jump. Basically, there’s just some exceptions where they had a reversal that can’t be safe jumped to begin with like Akuma, DeeJay, and Fuerte.

Also, I commented on the news post that I’m pretty sad because I realized right after I released the video that I could have done a better combo for the second to last combo. Instead of meaty cl.MP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk, I could have done cl.HP, t.MP, c.MP xx Zonk. Not only is it more damage/stun, but it’s actually also easier, because you can just hold the HP when you hit cl.HP, and then release it for the zonk for a perfectly timed level 1 zonk.

Oh well. The cl.MP combo still looks pretty sweet :wgrin:.

firstly, niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice stuff :rock:
secondly, double standing strong sweep, always a favorite :china:
thirdly, ryan hunters been knifin around!

keep up the good work man :tup:

[HunterSFL]

Great work.

Though I’m having some trouble connecting cl.HP to t.MP. Does it require very strict timing?

cl.HP has to be meaty.

[MrSleeps]

thanks for the tips and videos ryan keep up the good work, also you never really talk about cody with super and super cancels, occasionally i have a super filled and combo into it im just confused waht i should do, criminal upper super cancel with hk does less damage then just hk ruffian super cancel, what is your preference for best super cancel with cody.

[solid7x2]

Miscellaneous Cody Tricks
Here’s the list of who the LP CU -> EX CU juggle works on, and the list of who you can do HP CU -> hold up forward for a safe jump on.

Wow this is great info. However I am curious about Gouken. I tried this before posting but you can use gouken’s counter move against the safe jump. Did I miss something here or is the chart incorrect?

I know I’ve brought up this before, but wanted to know if anyone can confirm if this safejump back throw is completely accurate. I assume so since its based mostly on frame data.
http://shoryuken.com/f330/we-finished-practicing-now-cody-matchup-thread-233444/index21.html#post9076322

If not I will do some of my own testing as well.

edit: I have done extensive searching for this info but can’t find it. I remember reading/seeing something that essentially shuts down Rufus’ options. I think it was a safe jump after a back throw OS ex-zonk, but wanted to find more specifics. I’ve literally looked everywhere and can’t find it, maybe someone knows what I’m talking about and can help.

Also on a side note; there is tons of good matchup info all over the place on this forum and on other blogs. I was going to start compiling some of the information together, but I’m not really sure where would be the best place to dump it all? Any suggestions?

[zUkUu]

the whole “safe jump” setups need more “recording”, hence writing stuff down. this includes empty jumps and safe attack jumps. at least for those two viable ones. (after backthrow and after cu).

so go for it son, you’ve my approval xD

[zUkUu]

		Corner LP CU EX CU	CU quickrise
Abel			Y			N
Adon			N			Y
Akuma			N			N
Balrog			Y			N
Blanka			Y			N
C. Viper		N			Y
Cammy			Y			N
Chun Li			N			Y
Cody			Y			N
Dan			Y			N
Dee Jay			N			N
Dhalsim			Y (hard)		N
Dudley			Y			N
E. Honda		N			Y
El Fuerte		N			N
Fei Long		N			Y
Gen			N			Y
Gouken			N			Y
Guile			Y (hard)		N
Guy			Y			N
Hakan			N			N
Ibuki			Y			N
Juri			N			Y
Ken			Y			N
M. Bison		Y			N
Makoto			Y			N
Rose			Y			N
Rufus			Y			N
Ryu			Y			N
Sagat			Y			N
Sakura			N			Y
Seth			Y			N
T. Hawk			Y			N
Vega			Y			N
Zangief			Y			N

I’ve tested this further and there is alot more to it then just corner comboablity.

characters can be comboed after a lp cu in the corner with ex cu -on the list-:

• some characters can be comboed after a lp cu midscreen with ex cu
• some characters can be comboed after a lp cu in the corner with u2 -on the list- [ex cu combable = u2 comboable]
• some characters can be comboed after a lp cu midscreen with u2 -on the list- [ex cu combable = u2 comboable]
• some characters can be comboed after a mp cu in the corner with ex cu
• some characters can be comboed after a mp cu midscreen with ex cu
• some characters can be comboed after a mp cu in the corner with u2
• some characters can be comboed after a mp cu midscreen with u2

characters on your list that can’t be comboed after a lp cu in the corner:

• can be comboed midscreen with u2. when the lp cu hits at a specific range. this will alter their flight distance and duration [some exceptions, found sakura and juri so far]
• can’t be juggled with mp cu in any way.
• can’t be comboed in the corner at all. the wall shortens their flight height and duration again.

didn’t tested all on everyone yet. only partial - will work on it later on. if requested I will update your list with those informations.

[solid7x2]

		Corner LP CU EX CU	CU quickrise
Abel			Y			N
Adon			N			Y
Akuma			N			N
Balrog			Y			N
Blanka			Y			N
C. Viper		N			Y
Cammy			Y			N
Chun Li			N			Y
Cody			Y			N
Dan			Y			N
Dee Jay			N			N
Dhalsim			Y (hard)		N
Dudley			Y			N
E. Honda		N			Y
El Fuerte		N			N
Fei Long		N			Y
Gen			N			Y
Gouken			N			Y
Guile			Y (hard)		N
Guy			Y			N
Hakan			N			N
Ibuki			Y			N
Juri			N			Y
Ken			Y			N
M. Bison		Y			N
Makoto			Y			N
Rose			Y			N
Rufus			Y			N
Ryu			Y			N
Sagat			Y			N
Sakura			N			Y
Seth			Y			N
T. Hawk			Y			N
Vega			Y			N
Zangief			Y			N

After doing my own safe jump testing, using the c.lp c.lp c.mp HP.CU with a follow up HK, I have confirmed that Gouken can counter with his “counter move” and Fei can counter with his u2.

The previous post with the back throw jump safety seems to be correct, with the addition that adon can be Back throw safe jumped against.

[Tenchi]

Has anyone here played around with cl.HK and have consistent good results? I’ve been messing around with it and it’s actually really good. However, it seems that right outside of 2 jab range is when it gets iffy since far HK will just come out. How do you guys use it, if use it at all?

[Electroma]

Has anyone here played around with cl.HK and have consistent good results? I’ve been messing around with it and it’s actually really good. However, it seems that right outside of 2 jab range is when it gets iffy since far HK will just come out. How do you guys use it, if use it at all?

just against ppls point blank neutral jumps, and defend against poorly timed crossups, thats about it rly.

[HunterSFL]

Just a quick note in this thread, I was in training mode the other day and before I shut it off, I retested the “Quickrise safejump from HP CU” on Adon, since the “Y” for him was really bugging me because it didn’t seem right, and sure enough, it doesn’t work. I don’t know why I had it as yes originally…again, I compiled that list months and months and months ago, so I must have tested wrong against him. Anyway, just wanted to point it out. I’m going to edit my original post with the list for future reference.

[splurgendii]

Here’s something i found out today… it’s news for me… sorry if this is redundant.
never heard this be done… thought the general consensus was both characters have to be grounded…
I guess that’s not the case!!!

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[zUkUu]

that’s old^^ if the dust only hits once you can juggle into full animation. you can actually aa hk ruffian FADC into u2 aswell, but this is sooooo difficult to time [because the dust has to hit only once] and the risk / reward is way to low for that.

[spookydonkey]

alright gentlemen… it took a little longer than expected, but ive finally finished my cody project :pleased:

since i love to preface(& ill try to be brief):

remember when ciphr posted up about triple fierce start no counter-hit?
well that + my shitty internet = training room combo vid

i wont try to explain it away, ill just throw the transcript in a spoiler tag & we can discuss later
anyway here it is, my first attempt @ such a thing… hope you like it :smokin:

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full transcript

[details=Spoiler]Act 1: meaty appetizers - meaty far s.forward | meaty stomachblow, c.fierce | ch. stomachblow combos

meaty far s.forward:
1. nj.fierce, (meaty)far s.forward, c.forward

from this very thread: "A meaty Standing medium kick can combo into the slide (A 7 frame move) This means it can combo into Ultra 2. This need to be explored."
so ive finally gotten around to doing just that, next combo:

2. nj.fierce, (meaty)far s.forward, u2

turns out ventt was right =]

3. nj. fierce, (meaty)far s.forward, c.fierce xx (meaty)roundhouse ruffian, forward ruffian(whiff)

hah just funny. the ruffian corpsehop actually comes back in act3 in a useful manner :amazed:

meaty stomachblow:
4. (meaty)stomachblow, c.fierce xx insert combo, back to reality: roundhouse ruffian, fadc, bingo, excu

ahhh the gouken “multi combo” from “full screen movement setup” :lol:
a silly idea i had & executed while practicing w/video editing software. it could be a lil better & the audio was way too hard w/my pos editing software

5. j.roundhouse, (meaty)stomachblow, c.fierce xx fierce criminalupper, fadc, c.jab, s.strong, c.fierce xx fierce criminalupper, fadc, c.jab, s.strong, u2

meaty stomachblow off a jumpin & then… well you know

counterhit stomachblow:
6. ch (meaty)stomachblow, (meaty)stomachblow, c.fierce xx (meaty)roundhouse ruffian, (meterless) u1

almost a triple meaty meterless upskirt

7. knifadc, ch stomachblow, stomachblow, s.strong, u2

thats right, knifadc =] for the true cody fans

8. ch stomachblow, s.roundhouse xx roundhouse super

an odd link i found&posted awhile back; it looks cool when you cancel to the super late & the super freeze catches rose in that extreme part of her reeling animation =]
which segues into another rose & another cool super freeze:

Act2: the flaying ladies show(aa lvl3 focus juggles)

9. aa lvl3 focus, f.dashdashcancel, bingo, short super

rose, do 5 barrel rolls! very pretty super freeze upskirt & post combo cop a feel

10. aa lvl3 focus, f.dashcancel, bingo, u1

talk to the toes!

11. aa lvl3 focus, f.dashcancel, exzonk, fadc(back), bingo, ex cu

flying kitty!

12. aa lvl3 focus, f.dashcancel, bingo, bingo

double bingo omg. the worlds(only?) most legit non-dhalsim double bingo :pleased:

13. aa lvl3 focus, f.dashcancel, exruffian, u1

now sliiiiiiiide. this leads into the next concept:

14. lvl3 focus, f.dash, jumpback, exruffian, u1

the bonus deadlift. i love that as jargon, btw. like [media=youtube]lGA3rOdb0rs"[/media] introduced me to the term, i named all the combos in this section

Act3: constant meaty fierce & other new(ish) concepts

quick preface: what i attempted to do here was to first show the concepts in a simple form(15-19), then combine them into better combos(20-27)

15. exrocks, (meaty)s.fierce, sweep

exrocks doublefierce comes a lil later =]

16. j.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx bingo

double fierce off a jumpin fierce on standing opponent

17. f.throw, jumpback, j.roundhouse, (meaty)s.fierce, sweep

meaty s.fierce off a jumpin roundhouse, from a throw setup (just realized i never got around to using this in the later combos.shit.)

18. j.roundhouse, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx exzonk, fadc, excu

doublefierce off a jumpin roundhouse on standing opponent

19. nj.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx exzonk, fadc, knifegrab, excu

remember knifegrab juggle? haha! im starting to land hkruff fadc greatcriminalupper in matches now! okay… so only twice :razz:

20. (ch)nj.roundhouse, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx fierce criminal upper, fadc, c.jab, s.strong, c.fierce xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc(back), u1

super meaty s.fierce off a sweet lookin nj.roundhouse into classic combo.
forgot to turn counterhit off… it isnt needed for this combo

21. (ch for stun)j.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx fierce criminalupper, fadc, c.jab, s.strong, c.fierce xx fierce criminal upper…DIZZY…j.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc, nj.fierce

repetitive? yes. 10 fierce presses in one 15 hit combo? yes. & thus the dizzy combos begin. sorry, only akuma & seth… i wanna say i got gen once, but couldnt pull any magical shit like maj did to guile in day21. speaking of something maj did:

22. ch(for stun) j.roundhouse, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc, bingo, excu…DIZZY…MAJmeat-jabU2 ender

bingo buffer dizzy combo + shoutouts to a nice ender :tup:

23. ch(for stun) exrocks, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx exzonk, excu…DIZZY…meterbuild:whiff forward ruffian, whiff bingo x2, knifegrab, j.fierceknife, c.fierceknife, c.short xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc(back), u1

told you exrocks double fierce was comin! classic knife to u1 ender. also you probably cant notice it in the vid, but the knifegrab is actually a karaknifegrab off a c.fierce lol i didnt do it on purpose, just noticed it in a couple frames during editing :razzy:

24. nj.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc, knifegrab, excu…dizzy…knifetaunt x2, j.fierceknife, c.fierceknife, u2

ahhh, satans combo(see avatar). 666 dmg. one of my favorites cause of the dizzy off the greatcu juggle. but also a huge disappointment for this reason: everyone knows the ender from maj’s 700class intro & from monirakings solution. so, i had a new way.
MOD c.fierce knife, c.fierceknife, u2. sweet right? well even though i have it written down, in multiple places, like ive done it for sure… i just cant land it! he always blocks the u2 =\

but wait! “wtf is a MOD?!” you might be thinking…

25. ch(for sun) ex rocks, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx exzonk…DIZZY… meterbuild: whiff roundhouse ruffian, whiff forward ruffian, (MEATY ON DIZZY WAKEUP)s.fierce, c.fierce xx roundhouse ruffian, fadc, knifegrab, criminal upper

ok so ive been told its not exactly a new universal concept, but its still a pretty esoteric one. meaty on the dizzy wakeup. the meter building ruffs helped me to get the timing down into a flow, tho in all actuality… timing it naturally is not hard. well w/a move like codys s.fierce anyway.

26. ch(for stun) nj.fierce, (meaty)s.fierce, c.fierce xx bingo…DIZZY… positioning: whiff forward ruffian corpsehop, f.jump out of corner, f.dash, exrocks, (meaty)s.fierce, u2

so that opener is what ive been using for so long now in an attempt to solve 700class challenge lol. ive gotten 685, 690, & 699twice heheh suggestions?
oh yeah, as foretold in the act1 transcript: ruffian corpsehop put to good use!

27. ch(for stun) j.roundhouse, (supermeaty) s.fierce, c.fierce xx fierce criminalupper…DIZZY… knifegrab, doubledash, MOD c.fierceknife, s.fierceknife xx forward super

i was looking for one more combo to add so…
being disappointed i couldnt land the MODdouble fierceknife for satans combo & after having a brief discussion w/mr ryan hunter about supercancels off knife, this was what i came up w/… i like it!

credits

stinger: neg-edge knifegrabthrow beats wakeup soulsatellite+mashing ftw
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[zUkUu]

I liked the gouken combo. also that c.lp into u2 is pretty neat.

from a viewers point of view: stop taunting… .it’s SO OVERUSED. the first one was legit, but the rest… well meh.
why the whiff mk in that movie?^^
I think it for us it would be cool to see the damage counter^^

ps: i swear I heard EVERYTIME in the BGM “BATMAN” from the 60ish batman series intro xD

nice nonetheless.

[spookydonkey]

knife grab xx taunts are always welcome in my book… codys happy w/it too, he says “great” &“haha”

the whiff mk was a corpse hop that i accidentally did on zang, but that came back later vs seth for positioning(ruffian corpse hop, jump out, f.dash. exrocks, meaty s.fierce), so since the beginning was odd stuff i left it in

as far as showing the damage, ill say all those akuma & seth combos are either well over or just under 600dmg :razz:
i wasnt really concerned too much w/that since the vid was mostly just to showcase new&esoteric concepts & also served well as a creative outlet.

& ofc music is subjective! thx tho!

[zUkUu]

hey hey I was only talking in a positive way ^^
I’ll also admit I’ve seen some stuff I’ve never seen before or have thought of doing. and that’s rarely!
music was okay btw, i kinda liked it.

here is the reference I misheard the whole time [media=youtube]1qP-NglUeZU[/media] aorund 0:44 xD