Random GB is you block Cyc, gets hit by demon, 150%, or you block demon, gets hit by Cyc, 150% or anything like that. The point is I can’t really tell because I am jumping while my opponent is sjing when this happens. I am sure he does not even plan it specifically, but takes advantage when and if it happens. Id rather not take this risk.
And many characters can do midmatch GBs (not only Cable), but this would be getting out of the point here.
I know about all the HoD stuff, but he rarely uses it (tag in to Cable 100% combo is much better).
The regular viper beam is not very good because he is always coming from above. At sj level, it is less risky to do HPs (if I miss a vb he can Inf, HoD, DHC me, or maybe even that combo with Inferno, Cyclops, HK demons and tag in).
I appreciate the help, but, as far as I can tell, my opponent IS smart. And I know all the newbie stuff. My problem is really more about the overall stratgey of the match. I must kill BH and I must kill him fast, or else the match gets really hard, with his full Cable against my damaged one
As I said to Higher-Jin, I am really hurt sometimes when I eat a demon or Cyc while jumping forward.
I think some of your tips wil really help me tough. Calling sent and sjing HP should be relatively safe (if he stays on the ground, Sent will cover me, if he sjs, HP will make him block). In theory, he may catch up on that fast and start countering my Sent with Cyc, but it is another weapon to me and at full screen it should be almost foolproof
How often does cable’s c.LK beats BH’s tail? I use it only when I can cross him from below, since I am afraid of eating the tail and huge big combo afterwards…
So, provided my opponent knows what he is doing, this really should not be too easy of a fight for me, right?
litsen megafighter if you play team scrub why in any reason you are having a problem with black,cable,cyc. Just turtle the bastard and be extremly patient at some point he’ll realize that black isn’t doing enough damage and bring out his cable before time and give you the fight. Be smarter not more tallented, that’s what i always say. Also don’t play team msp against this team b/c you won’t get near his black. Here is a tip with cable, well a couple of tips; 1) learn to push-block and immediate TKAHVb while you are caught in infernoXXheart of darkness cause no matter how many times i say it people don’t litsen, DO NOT DO ANY INFERNOXXHEARTOFDARKNESS when fighting against cable! 2) learn to do a TKAHVB right after you land from an heartofdarkness
super, remember black. does that small dash after he land from the super. 3) Learn scrub tactics, here is an ex., with cable on point call capcom super jump shotXXgranade, can keep an blackheart grounded but be very careful he doesn’t catch you with an infernoXXHOD while doing it. Unless you have three bars of super and you want him to catch you so you can nail him after he gets you with the super. 4) Against black try using your assisst morethan you would with any other character, why? well black needs assisst to ove around and punish people, so you have to let your assisst do the damage and keep blocking until you see an opening to punish either black’s assisst or black itself.
**1: I think mega fighter said that his opponent NEVER does HOD unless it connects. Plus i think BH players make sure they have an assist (like doom) pinning their opponent making it unescapable. Pretty much anyone can jump out and gaurd break BH not just Cable.
2: I always thought that BH could block after that by holding up/back, or wiggling down and up on the stick. I’ve done it plenty times. ** :rolleyes:
Well Myleftshoe, First of all i have never seen anyone do an inferno and wait if it connects to do a HOD cause if you wait till it hits it wont give you time to connect HOD :rolleyes: . Second of all The Wiggling up and down the stick to stop the AUTOMATIC motion that black does after a super doesn’t work, you say you done it Plenty of times, well i’d like to see it to believe it :wow: . By The Way, i thought he was talking about black/cyclops not black/doom if that is the case my bad! But with black/doom all you guys have to do is try to be as mobile as you can, don’t get trapped in conners, and call you’re assisst earlier than you would against other char. remember once doom comes out most assisst eat the rocks.
Yeah, but he won’t do HoD at all against Cable , unless I expose myself (the tactic you suggested , call commando, sj grenade, is in fact a perfect opportunity fo him to Inferno/HoD/DhC if Commando misses).
He starts combos with either a sjump in, ground lk, demons or Cyclops. Any of them can lead to the traditional 150% combo on the end.
Your other point is that my opponent will realize that he is not doing enough damage, then he will bring cable and give me the fight. I really can’t follow this. I am not doing enough damage either, but he is the one building bars. At worst, if he is stuck with 5 bars, he can make me block cyclops and cover it with a special for chip damage.
I appreciate your help but, again, I know all these basics you’re talking about. It is not that easy to take Blackheart out when he plays well. Other players here seems to agree, and I still did not find any tips here that would make this battle a “walk in the park”.
Nice thread this one is. Peeps on my scence are having trouble with BH scrubbies too(cept top players of course). Some pros even play BH when they see BH. So this topic is very much relevant to me.
Just want to clarify a few things:
What is the 100% tag in combo for BH. That one might come in good use in the future
Joe doe; you said learn to push block and immediately tk AHVB. But isn’t it normal jump AHVB after you guard cancel without even touching the ground after the InfernoXXHoD?
Anywayz, I don’t think BH is that hard to get caught off guard. If that player is smart and not spamming demons nor rushing I don’t see why he will be building meter. If he tries to make you block Cyke and follow up to chip then use your own Cyke, jump backwards and AHVB.
If you play MSP square jumping is essential. EM Disruptors are good to stuff him in the air. Also wait for him to be reckless on the deomns then wavedash, sj up and lk, which should beat his lp if he’s expecting it at all(unlikely). Once you get that one hit with Magz snapback straightaway.
That’s all for now. Btw, anyone know a good guard cancelling thread around here?
Counter calling assist is not possible since BH sjs to cover it, while Cable sis still in blockstun…
My most important improvement lately is knowing when to use grenades in this fight. Proper placed grenades when you sj with BH (after a blocked sj HP) or just a little after, are safe and regain some control of the match.
I am not so sure of the 100% combo, because I don’t do it, I just have it done to me. I mean, you can do it with anything that ends in demons, tag in Cable, AHVBs (easier would be infinite,tag in AHVBs).
But my opponente also does something like d.lk x 2, cyclops, inferno, cyclops hits again, demon, tag in ahvb, and variatiosn of it.
I think it dependes if you need more bars (your opponent will get some too) or not. If you need it, throw lots of demons and bring a full Cable in. If not, bring Cable asap and kill with AHVBs and go for a GB afterwards.
If this is too confusing, I’ll correct it later. I spent too much time with no sleep this weekend
Megafighter, well im sorry but i guess i need to see what you are doing wrong for me to gie you any advice cause i never had a problem playing with or against black. i guess that all i can tell you is to keep playing the guy and analyse your game every time he beats you, pin-point the moves that he does the most against you and try diferent tactics and see what works and what dosen’t. I’ve encountered games in which everything i did didn’t work so i would step back and just watch the guy play and get a feel of his style, then play him and i would usually win. That is just what i do when i loose, you may beat me a couple of times but ill get you, then you wont be able to beat me again.
By the way the motion cancel of black, i knew it can be done but it is not quick enough a quick tiger knee can catch black before you can cancel the motion so it doesn’t work in my book!
myleftshoe i bet you are the scrubiest player out there. you must be one of those guys who talks so much B.S. but when is time to step into the plate you don’t sum up to the B.S. you just talked. So litsen kid why don’t you let the actual players do the talking and just watch and maybe you may learn something. MORON! :tdown:
Thanks, Joe Doe and GGG. I am doing much better now. It is all about being smarter after all. Maybe Blackheart is not a very easy fight for Cable. Maybe my opponent is just very good and I am not at the same level, and this even things out. We’re doing pretty even lately. I have a good battleplan, I think, and whoever does/is forced to make the first mistake usually loses.
Well good on you mate. Well BH and Cable are two of the most irritating chars. to fight for me. So it’s good to reply one with the other to get in your opponents face
omg finals of hell are over!! :party:
Glad to hear you are doing better against him. I’m wondering if you have learned to counter his assist just as it’s coming in yet? And if you have, have you learned to keep him pinned down while punishing his assist?
I am not so sure if I follow you. I mean, if he makes a mistake and calls Cyclops when I am jumping back or at any time I don’t have to block, then I AHVB as soon as possible and, in this case, I kill the assist resetting AHVbs and BH cannot protect it.
But this is rare. He is very careful with his assist calling. All in all, I think that now I know how this fight goes. The difference between winning and losing is the differenec between making mistakes or forcing them, mind games and execution.
If you’re talking about something else (maybe something I have no idea of) please post your thoughts. Thanks for your help.
