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AreEyeSeaKay · July 10, 2015, 9:10pm

Frothing IS the problem

highlulu · July 10, 2015, 10:03pm

grim patron on it’s own is hardly the problem. sure it’s a good control combo but it isn’t killing people in 1 turn on it’s own. It’s when frothing and warsong are thrown in there that shit gets crazy. I think if they changed frothing to only gain attack when enemy or friendly minions take damage it would reel it in a lot.

oh yeah, and fuck the hunter hate. hunter for life!

blufang · July 10, 2015, 10:07pm

I think Grim patron warrior is fine, the 30+ damage combo takes many components to work and a certain board state (opponent’s).

PatakaReada · July 10, 2015, 10:51pm

haha my bad. i also meant to add how you would actually change that. i thought about increasing mana cost, but then i wonder if that just delayed the inevitable if people just play thaurissan.

Joshkaz · July 10, 2015, 11:10pm

Could try nerfing frothings health, or limiting how much attack he gets per activation, or just flat out limit it to friendly minions or enemy minons. Not both.

Pimp_Willy · July 10, 2015, 11:14pm

warsong doesnt give charge if you go over 3 attack, boom done

Veserius · July 11, 2015, 12:00am

that makes warsong unplayable.

Just nerf Emperor to the start of your turn. That way you can’t just slam him down and get enough value to set up an OTK.

highlulu · July 11, 2015, 12:11am

would he even still be played though? i almost never see him live longer than a single turn in games.

Pimp_Willy · July 11, 2015, 12:26am

How does it make warsong unplayable? It takes away the ability to do crazy 1 turn kills from an empty board, which is what Blizzard wants to do. The only creature really affected by that change is frothing

Veserius · July 11, 2015, 1:24am

Math warrior wasn’t op, and while patron is definitely good, Thaurissan is what creates these crazy turns. Minus the window where they broke warsong, you’ve been able to get huge charging frothing berserkers for a long time, and it’s been a sometimes popular strategy. Patron is definitely a huge boon for the deck, but I think taking away an interaction that has been around for so long might also limit future design space for some proto math warrior decks.

I think the card is actually a huge mistake and will limit future design space to prevent other OTKs. His ability is far too powerful in a game where you can’t interact on your opponent’s turn.

I’m basically effectively nerfing him out of relevance, yes.

highlulu · July 11, 2015, 2:19am

Veserius:

Math warrior wasn’t op, and while patron is definitely good, Thaurissan is what creates these crazy turns. Minus the window where they broke warsong, you’ve been able to get huge charging frothing berserkers for a long time, and it’s been a sometimes popular strategy. Patron is definitely a huge boon for the deck, but I think taking away an interaction that has been around for so long might also limit future design space for some proto math warrior decks.

highlulu:

Veserius:

that makes warsong unplayable.

Just nerf Emperor to the start of your turn. That way you can’t just slam him down and get enough value to set up an OTK.

would he even still be played though? i almost never see him live longer than a single turn in games.

I think the card is actually a huge mistake and will limit future design space to prevent other OTKs. His ability is far too powerful in a game where you can’t interact on your opponent’s turn.

I’m basically effectively nerfing him out of relevance, yes.

i’m honestly OK with that. just so long as it’s the goal haha

blufang · July 11, 2015, 4:15am

…wait a minute. Besides thinking Emperor is a cool unique ability, nerfing him effects other classes. Patron warrior isn’t the only deck that uses the emperor. He does allow some combos that weren’t possible before, but I think that is fine cause it isn’t going to dominate, you can’t rely on the emperor to get triple/double combos consistantly. He is one card…and you need all those other pieces to make it happen. Double force of nature great…but you need your fotn in hand as well as 2 savage roars, when you drop your Emperor which isn’t going to happen too often.

I like cards that do different things. Emperor increases hoarding of cards at the expense of losing board state, and encourages combo experimentation.

SoVi3t · July 11, 2015, 6:01am

how about having warsong commander only give charge to creatures or tokens from spells you cast, and not from creatures played from the board, or whatever…i’m stoned, figure out what logic i made, if any.

Pimp_Willy · July 11, 2015, 10:07am

Aka exactly how it was bugged before they fixed it lol

blufang · July 11, 2015, 9:58pm

I’m not in favor of any change, but this would be the easiest and would at least keep patron warrior still viable. Frothing can still grow obscenely huge, but won’t be able to charge also…so opponent has a turn to deal with him.

JuuM · July 14, 2015, 11:57am

Played Warlock vs. Priest against Blindknagg. Thoughtsteal 1, Voidcaller and Doom Guard. Thoughtsteal 2, Voidcaller and Malganis. smh

blufang · July 16, 2015, 5:36am

So opened up my next legendary. Whenever I see that wondrous gold aura, I am excited but also very anxious…it such a rare thing to see…what if it is a bad or useless one? Well after a slight pause, I flipped the card. Sylvanas windrunner!!! Doesn’t get much better than that, I’m very happy.

AreEyeSeaKay · July 16, 2015, 2:49pm

Congrats! Such a good/fun card.

This brawl is kind of fun. Is it supposed to be 12 win arena decks?

Blindknagg · July 16, 2015, 3:26pm

Embrace the light dark side

http://i.imgur.com/jrUVVWT.png

http://i.imgur.com/BaTibjH.png

#ThoughtstealIsBadBecauseItGivesYouCardsWithoutSynergy

Veserius · July 17, 2015, 3:39am

pulled neptulon on my last arena run and he was one of the few good legendaries i needed.

4975 gold, and dust button up to 11k