HOLY FUCK, if I didn’t just get this sig from another one of SRK’s local idiots, it would be this. Not because I agree with it, but because its said by spudly, a user who got BANNED FOR BEING TOO BIG OF A JACKASS.
I want a third alternative. I know it doesn’t exist, and is probably physically impossible, but I want it anyway so both sides can shut up. This, more than anything else today, is the one topic that makes people on both sides sound like rabid psychos. Seriously, and this isn’t just directed at Tiberious and P Gorath, STOP USING LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE AS IF IT’S SOME KIND OF INSULT. This isn’t cute anymore.
I fucking hate politics.
Greatest post ever?
But you shouldn’t hate politics. You should hate politicians.
No, it ain’t politicians. It’s politics in general. It turns anyone into a lunatic. Hell, usually I don’t write posts that angry. I’m just as guilty as everyone else, I just direct my rage at everyone rather than one particular side. Including myself. I make no bones about the fact that, when politics are involved, my brain turns off and I turn into a moron too.
I do think we need healthcare reform, but I think that the idea of free health care is a bad one. Now, I think that we could have a universal coverage plan, and that could possibly work, but I think that it should have a copay required, so that the patients just can’t whore the system out, the way medicaid patients do. Having worked in a hospital through college in the lab and in ER admissions, most of the time the ER is filled with medicaid patients who have a cold/flu/headache or some other minor problem and have no business being in the ER. Sure they have to wait a few hours, but then they get seen (FOR FREE) and cost the county about 600 dollars to get a script for tylenol 3 and be on their way. So maybe we could have a 50 dollar copay for seeing a PCP, a 100 dollar copay for seeing a minor emergency clinic, and a 200 dollar copay to go to the ER. I just think that if you make it free, then those who don’t have to pay will just abuse the shit out of the system.
I am also tired of everyone acting like the Doctors are being so greedy. Sure doctors get paid a whole lot, but what do you expect them to get paid? One of my college buddies just finished his surgical residency and will finally start making some good money. Oh btw, he is 300,000 dollars in debt from medical school and all of his training, and is going to probably be paying thousands a year in malpractice. So how are you gonna give out pay cuts when the degree costs so much money to get and he has that much overhead?
Rather than fight with anyone, I’ll just point to sections in the bill that are the most dangerous.
A federal bureaucracy that decides what treatment you or your family members get to have.
In the bolded text, it states that illegals get the same benefits American citizens do.
Elderly people will be instructed how to die. This is not optional.
A triple-whammy. The government will monitor your finances, create a de facto national ID card as well as have access to your bank accounts to pay for your healthcare.
And here, it details how your care is to be rationed.
Have I provided enough yet?
Edited to Add: Actually, no I haven’t. This one… just, wow:
The government defines what is acceptable coverage, and if you choose not to have insurance, they will punish you and make you pay anyway.
I’m not getting into this debate for 2 reasons - first, I’m high as a kite on sleeping pills and second, I refuse to feed the conservative cock-suck machine that is Tiberious.
I will say this - I pay a goo chunk of my paycheck to Kaiser every single fucking week. then if anything happens, I pay another large chunk to Kaiser in co-pays, then I pay another large chunk to Kaiser in lab fees, then I pay anoher large chunk to Kaiser in Rx bills. So at the end of the day, I end up paying a HUGE chunk of my pacheck to Kaiser to get AT BEST mediocre service. i had a siezure over 3 years ago and to this day, they can’t tell my why, just that I need to keep taking meds that cost me all of the above listed fees each time I go in to refill. I’m not making a judgement on what system is best, but I don’t see how getting goat-fucked by a private institution is any btter than paying taxes to universal health care. Trust me, there is no system in the world as bad as Kaiser, but what’s my alternative? Pay even more to another insurance provier? Not have health insurance? Yeh, that’s a good option…you fucking conservatioves tell me, how has the private systrem worked? I lose a HUGE chunk of my patycheck to Kaiser and it SUCKS! Talk about how bad a social sysytem would be, it CAN NOT be any worse than Kaiser…it’s not even possible…
The thing is that there are a lot of viable, realistic alternatives that would open up health care options, and fall well short of the wild reform that is on the table.
Mitt Romney crafted a plan with the Massachusetts Democratic state congress that has, generally, worked (I’m opposed to the plan itself, but it did provide more insurance to the masses and didn’t bankrupt the state).
There are some painfully obvious options like the government offering up tax incentives for various alternative coverage options.
There are options that go to the doctors, like setting higher bars for lawsuits against doctors, which would make it so doctors don’t have to pay almost a half million dollars in malpractice insurance.
There was a proposal that would make it so multiple small business could go in together on a corporate health care plan that wasn’t even allowed to the vote.
None of them are even being discussed by Congress right now. All that’s being talked about is this ludicrous, tax payer-funded insurance company. That’s politics.
^Lol at Kaiser, after watching Sicko, I get the feeling we’re pretty much damned eitherway.
Seriously, this isn’t a fucking partisan issue, this is an every man’s issue, and I wish people would remember that instead of lobbing some attack on “dem dirty liberals” or whatever the hell party people belong too.
So, in other words, you have no answer at all, you just don’t like this system. I’m getting ass fucked by private industry, by rich white fucks who don’t give 2 fucks about my health or safety, just about their bottom line. There is no alternative for me, I can’t afford anything else. Without my work provided insurance, which SUCKS MONKEY BALLS, I’d be without insurance, something that is not an option for someone who could potentially have a seizure next week…so, I have to suck the cock of big business and continue getting goat fucked by them…that’s pretty much what I thought the answer would be…
We need reform and we need it now. If this is what it takes to take some of the power away from the corrupt insurance companies, so be it…
Was this addressed at me? If so, then yes. I don’t like the present proposed solution. I don’t know what the best solution would be. And if you don’t think the government can successfully fuck it up worse, then you’ve gotta check out the Veteran hospitals.
I know plenty of intelligent folks. These are people I run into in public, or through social whatevers. The average person is far more outraged than informed. I do my best to make sure I’m the latter before I become the former. If I’m not informed, then I’ll openly admit that and keep my cool.
And every system ever will have issues and problems, especially in the initial phases. But having spent some time in Europe, in various countries with socialized health care, I never once heard a person complain about the situation, and everyone I asked had little or no complaints about it. And as a foreigner, I was treated better there, in regards to anything medically related, than I’ve ever been in the states. A lot of folks like to bad mouth these systems without ever having been around them. They just find some stories where it went wrong, which is rarely representative of the majority, and repeat them like they’re common place. But keep in mind this has nothing to do with the economics of said systems. Just the implementation.
But I’m all for reform, personally. I’m not a fan of our current system at all, and I’ve been directly fucked by it numerous times. I do feel that the current proposal has issues, and would like to see changes made, but I definitely think our current build needs to go.
Why hasnt Congress passed a bill that requires all women to have at least DD bra sizes. The women will get lower taxes and the bigger they choose to make their racks, the less taxes they pay. All in all, hotter happier women and very happy men. World crisis solved?
I mean, I would support that bill, no matter the cost. 70 million for Mt. St. Helens research in the last stimilus bill? WTF?
I couldn’t edit the previous post any further (25,000 character limit), but there’s still more that is in there:
In essense, under this bill, cancer would become a death sentence.
I neg liberals for shits and giggles. That is all.
Because you have nothing intelligent to add other than the puke you were fed all day on the radio?
The insurance industry already works in most of the ways described, you stupid fuck. Old people are denied coverage and service, and are given hospice as their only choice. Aka, go die now kthx for the money. I watched my wife’s grandma go through the insurance bureaucracy while she had leukemia. They denied her a bone marrow transplant because she was 1 year over their age guidelines for the procedure, even though her sister was a perfect bone marrow match.
This already happens in the private insurance that you happily pay for. What exactly are you crying about, retard?
OH NOES, ILLEGALS!!! THROW THEM ALL BACK SO THAT MY CONSERVATIVE BRETHREN CAN HAVE THEIR $0.50 AN HOUR JOBS PICKING PRODUCE. Do you even think for yourself, tool?
I am already denied service if I do not have my official Aetna insurance card on me. How is this any different? Also, you do realize that any time you do opt to have any procedure done under your current health insurance and you fail to pay your bill, you will have all legal actions available levied against you. Many people become homeless because of outrageous hospital bills as it is, but that doesn’t concern you as a conservative I’m sure.
You know that there currently is a punishment for not having insurance? Hospital bills so astounding that you will never be able to repay them is your punishment.
But again, you didn’t think. You just regurgitated something that you heard on TV.
The only thing you have proven is that you can copy/paste from a conservative web site. You might as well finish off your plagiarism rant by citing the web site you just copied from.
Exactly. This is a massive powergrab by the government that should be resisted by every American, whether perpetrated by an R or a D.
And as much as I hate to say it, I’m with Spudly. There’s things that can be done to give the current system in this country real reform without the government simply taking control of it. Tort reform is probably the biggest single change that would drive costs down.
Sigh. I’m more informed but even more confused after reading the CNN link. Are the legislative branch and the executive branch doing the right thing by ramming this healthcare bill down the American public’s throat? Let’s say the 50-50 split in the poll by CNN reflects an actual divide in American public opinion. Is it smart to go through with this kind of game plan when in fact a future Republican administration might subvert the built-up government infrastructure to render state-sponsored healthcare an even greater nuisance than our current privatized system?
I have more sympathy for libertarian type political opinions day by day. I am supportive of universal healthcare, but I have doubts as to whether the American public is willing to commit to it long term.
I’m sure I’d change my tune if my family wasn’t able to afford necessary healthcare for a loved one and I felt compelled to pick a side in this debate. But at this point, that simply isn’t the case.
I agree.
re: Kaiser hate: I was a Kaiser physician until 2 months ago. I actually think the Kaiser system works pretty well :shy: