get ready for the 25th anniversary HDR tournament. If you guys want HDR back on the main stage, back in majors, now is the time. this capcom sponsored tournament is starting in july and ends in dec. show up if you really want this game back.
Honestly ST and HDR aren’t THAT different of a game. Their differences minor enough where we could, and SHOULD start entering tournaments for both games, in order to prolong the competitive longevity of both games.
Input delay is the primary difference.
Input delay for the 360 version is insignificant and better/no worse than playing ST on any emulator.
My only experience is with the ps3 version.
I’m not hatin, but where is the support for hdr outside of the forum?
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The input delay for 360 is a lot better than the ps3 version, I can attest to that. Although, I would still rate MAME ST as above console ports in overall quality.
That being said, support HDR/ST by showing love for the tournaments that Capcom is having for the game. You can extol the virtues of HDR all you want on the forums, but unless the players prove it by showing up to events, then nobody gives a shit.
Where’s the love for any version of SF2 outside of the forum? Answer: Nowhere.
Half of the people that sign up for the ST side-tournaments don’t really care about it, including most of the winners. It’s sad but true. This HDR vs ST rivalry should’ve died years ago, and needs to die now if there’s any hope of salvaging the series.
How do you figure that most of the winners don’t care about ST? I’ve yet to meet someone in the ST community that doesn’t care about the game.
Any of the tournaments that Daigo, Valle, Choi, Tokido, etc. enter, they win. NONE of them play these games actively. They just show up and win for old times sake. Sure, they like it for nostalgia, but they’re not active members of the scene. Same goes for a number of mid-grade players.
Its true that SFII doesn’t get huge love, but why are we getting so much ST now, why was it that hdr fell off?
That doesn’t make as much sense.
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You have a good point there, but I feel like at this point, the winners that you mentioned don’t really need to practice the game anymore. It’s like riding a bike, you just give it a few warm-up games, and they’re nearly back to top shape, which is enough to beat a majority of players today. Not to mention a lot of these guys just don’t have the time that they used to, and they’re either busy with newer games, which draw a larger competitive pool and pot prize, along with work and real life.
But I think it’s important to look at the mid-grade players who make up the majority of the player base, and see how passionate they are for the game. Hopefully we’ll get a better idea of the health of the community by taking a look to see who shows up to Evo this year.
It gets enough love. We may not be a large community in comparison to the main stage guys, but we arguably have more passion for the game than your average player who is into SFxT or SF4.
ST revival sort of came up randomly. A lot of guys started to show up to offline events, and we just ran with it. We started to organize tournaments, run streams, get match footage up, post results, etc etc, and it’s been enjoying a decent resurgence. None of which, would be possible, without the community putting in the work to keep it competitively alive.
HDR was sort of doomed from the start, with its unnecessary politics, unusual changes, input delay, and coming out shortly before the release of SF4. I think what kept it under the water is the fact that tournament players stopped showing up and so people stopped organizing tourneys for it.
Skull Girls is kind of having the same problem, at least here in socal. People praise it as a great game, people ask and beg for tournaments and offline sessions, but nobody ever shows up. If you take a glance at the internet, you’d think that it would be the next big hit, but none of these guys are showing up offline. You can argue why HDR is better than ST, and you might make some good points, but if the community isn’t actively trying to create a competitive scene, it’s going to die. So it very much makes sense why ST is coming up and HDR isn’t. When the divide between ST and HDR playerbase happened, most of the old guard stuck with ST. Unfortunately the old guard has been around to have developed a strong attachment to ST, and thus put in the work to prolong its health. Apparently a majority of the initial HDR players either jumped ship to other games, or can’t be bothered to support the game they love so much.
I started with hdr, but I like ST more.
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There really isn’t an “ST Revival”, 99% of the people involved in it now are the same people that have always been involved in it and it’s relegated to side tourney status at almost every tourney. What little revival there is actually owes much of it to HDR.
I think a lot of you are either new to the scene or have selective memory as to what the state of tournament SF2 was like before HDR came along. It was ST on Dreamcast and the turn outs were pretty mediocre. About the same as now for ST, so not much has really changed in the larger scheme of things. When HDR 1st came out the turn outs were huge and it was easily the main game in any tournament. Things actually got even better when SF4 very first came out, because FG tournaments grew in popularity and got bigger and were held more often and HDR was always a main game held right with SF4. Around here for awhile right after SF4 first came out there were tournaments every month, with HDR being the right behind SF4 in turn out. It was pretty great. Look at the thread in this forum about the Season Beatings where DGV played Daigo in the finals, HDR had a huge turn out with tons of upper level players, you never saw that in SF2 before HDR since the arcades died out a decade ago except at EVO.
The problem was that the SF4 turn outs kept getting bigger and stayed strong while HDR started dwindling. I think part of the problem with the HDR players not coming out is the age gap. Looking around my fellow players while playing SF4 at a tourney and I was usually easily the oldest player. When playing in HDR I was mostly around people closer to my age group. It’s much easier for young players without wives, lots of bills, etc. to go to lots of tournaments than it is for the mostly older SF2 players who have lots of other things that require their time. It’s much easier for them to just play online when they get the chance then try to fit long, sometimes expensive and sometimes requiring travel offline events into their lives. The old guard went back to playing ST since that was what they were comfortable with and the rest just stayed online (I’d argue that most of the GGPO community doesn’t come out to offline events either, so the problem isn’t just with HDR players).
The SF2 community went backwards instead of forwards. Instead of taking it and running with it we bickered among ourselves. Some left for easy lure of SF4, and some just got overwhelmed by real life. We’re pretty much back where we started before HDR
I occasionally try to play a few sets of HDR before I delve into one of my other fighters, its just hard to make time and support every fighter especially when there is not enough time with real life (job, girl, family…) Lately I have started running longer sets in HDR on the 360 due to the 25th Anniversary tourney and Im surprised that you can still find games pretty quick and the competition is still there unlike KOF 13 which takes forever to find a game. Really glad this game and community are still healthy…
Just FYI, in case you weren’t aware, the 25th Anniversary tournament is being run on HDR Classic Mode (ST sprites and 4:3 aspect ratio).
Yeah you can watch damdai own marsgatti three straight games with Dhalsim and df + MP/LP
So does anyone know what the turnouts for the 25th ST/HDR tournies has been? I know you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt because they’re “free” tournaments, but I’m still wondering if SF2 filled up all all the available slots at each tourney.
AfroLegends said there were 80+ at the Austin qualifier. I haven’t heard about the NYC one.
Damdai said there were 130+ at the NYC qualifier.
WOW, that’s pretty cool. I wish I could have made it.
BTW, Kuroppi, any plans for future GGPO “King of” tournaments? 