Well the point of LEARNING A COUNTER CHARACTER is to learn how to use it correctly obviously your not gonna pick a charcter that you dont know how to use just becuase of the match up
Ok so a person who plays C Honda, Ken, Sag vs A Vega, Bison, Blanka
should he or should he not switch to lets say blanka or rolento?
Like i said all it does is improve your chances
the reality is, sometimes just knowing how to use a character doesn’t automatically make you good with them. i know how to use blanka and can win with him, but i don’t really go to him seriously because i know i’ll get peaced out easy. my point is, you are better off using characters you are great with, than playing a counter character just for the counter match up.
i think the time spend in learning the counter character can be better spent at learning how to negate the disadvantages and play around them with your “main” characters.
your backup team will never be as strong as your main team, for the simple reason that you will never play your backup team as often.
i’d rather just switch my order if i can’t win.
Thats for you becuase you dont play more than like 4 characters seriously
For a person like me that actually knows how to play more than just my main team its a smart idea for me to counter
Like I said before obviously your not gonna pick a charcter that you dont know how to use just becuase of the match up
it might be good for you flash, but when you get to a certain point, some of your teams are going to outshine the rest of the characters that you know how to use. There’s just no way for someone to have two teams of equal strength, unless they’re really similar (A-vega/sak/bison/blanka for example), even then you’d probably be better off with one of the teams over another, so there’s really no point in picking counter characters.
i think that this is one of the reasons that all top tier players stick with one team. another is that the top tier characters have little to no problems with counter characters.
lets give an exmaple
He plays 2 Different teams
C vega, blanka, sag and A rolento, vega, sakura
thats what justin does is he not a top player?
Or how about
A rock, rolento, eagle and K ken, rock, cammy
Combofiend isnt he a top player aswell?
also for the record it is very possible for a person to have 2 teams of equal strength
haha, got me there. But doesn’t combofiend stick to k-groove now as his “main”? and i’m pretty sure Justin’s main team is C-Vega/Blanka/Sagat. I’ve seen him play A-groove every once in a while, but that usually is just for shits and giggles.
well, i never see top japanese players switch. they’re the best in the world because they learn to play with what they like and make it work. it might work for justin and combo, but i don’t know about the rest of the world. or at least not at that level. the level you play at has a lot to do with it too. it just depends how you want to look at it. do you want to be able to switch up with several teams or characters or just play one team and learn to wreck anything with it? personally, i think you’re better off having one go team, but whatever works for the individual player is the best answer i guess.
nah justin uses it mainly for KP players which is…a counter lol
Well in japan its probably more of like an honor system but for the most parts the best players pick characters that pretty much have no bad match ups anyway
Its a fact that counters exist and they work wether you want to use them or not is up to you
iyo, otk, dan, makoto, bari, shiro, are guys that don’t switch (as far as i know) and rape, whatever the match up. like i said, i don’t think it’s an honor thing. it’s more like they play what they are best with no matter what.
damn I already said its up to the person and you still have to disagree wether you want to admit it or not what I said is a fact what your saying is just your opinion
Counters exist - fact
I picked up counter characters because after a certain point I just got flat out sick of playing A-groove motherfuckers all the time. In reality I like playing them much more then I ever did when my team was K Vega, Cammy, Blanka or what have you.
One of them I wasn’t aware of, but lord has it ever fucking helped (K-Mai [Mai in general] countering A-Sak). Holy fuck I love that match up so god damn much. It’s like go ahead, try and get in bitch. Waste your activation.
I mean seriously, if someone picks A-Vega, Sak, Bison, you bet your ass I’ll be picking K-Nak, Mai, and Blanka. Sure, they can pick up on it if they know what I’m doing, but fuck that, look who you’re picking motherfucker, damn.
Thus far I go with what I know. Nak for Vega, Mai for Sakura / Hibiki, Athena for Cammy, Balrog for Sagat, and Blanka for everyone else. Rolento gives me the most trouble (GO FIGURE), and I tend to put Blanka in the middle of said teams even if it eschews the counter character order, because hell, it’s Blanka.
I also like Guile in general.
the only fact is that no one ever said counters don’t exist. the question is whether it’s better to stick with a team you’re comfortable with or go for the counter. and i said that it’s up to the player a couple of posts ago. so what’s your point? you agreed with what i said, so how is it even possible to disagree with you when you’re just repeating what i originally said?
you say top players pick characters that have no bad match ups, and i point out top players that do, but still win. so what does that tell you? yeah, countering works, but it’s still a completely viable tactic to actually stick with a team and countering is not necessarily the best strategy, at least in cvs2. this all goes back to my first point, which is, IT’S ALL UP TO THE PLAYER. thanks for seeing things my way.
Just curious but what are considered the best counters against Vega, Sak (besides K-Mai), Blanka, and Sagat?
vega - cammy
sak - sagat (5-5), eagle
Blanka - vega? cammy does well
sagat - guile does well, vega (5-5)
Blanka - Any Hibiki, A-Sakura
Sagat - Guile, Vega, Blanka (against non small jump Sagat’s) Chunners
Sakura - Vega, Mai
Vega - I don’t hell know, but Geese can damage him a TON if he gets in. Maybe ROCK?
On an (un?)related note, i lost a ST tournament 2 weeks ago for counterpicking and SUCKIN’BALLS w/ the counter character.
I think New/intermediate players shouls stick ALL THE DAMM TIME TO ONLY ONE TEAM AND GROOVE. We’re not Flash, neither Metroids, nor Justins or Fiends…
i switch characters not to counter, but to avoid terrible counter matches (morrigan sucks)
Buk, why you don’t play Chun/Vice more often? Also, N-Sagat R2 is the hottness… haven’t you tried it?
Oh, and sticking to the point: Who counters Morrigan? Ken?
I believe Buk’s Chun was a counter-character from the vids I saw way back, 0_o never seen a vid of Buk playing Vice.
I can’t believe I forgot this one but who counters Bison? Hibiki?