Actually no, because in both practice and theory, the concept of “perfect” still relies on the context and setting in which the players are controlling the characters. Advantages in character match-ups are possible to theorize by the comparing the mechanics of each move/combo/technique, but it is impossible to collectively and accurately theorize “the best played X”. In Third Strike specifically, if you detach the players from a match-up, then you’re not realistically or practically analyzing the game that exists when put to play. Since so much of it has to do with mind games, there’s no way of theorizing how to perfectly play a character. You just do what works for you, when it works for you, how it works for you.
For example: I personally think Pierre’s Urien play style is unattractive and sloppy… but he wins often with it. RX’s Urien on the other hand is perfect in every sense of this “theoretical” word. He executes perfectly, knows a zillion and one combos and set ups, and knows virtually everything there is to know about Urien, yet he’s pretty much on the exact same level as Pierre in regards to recent rankings. If you were to theorize the “theoretical perfect Urien”, it would be RX. But he’s got that kind of skill and yet it makes no difference, because that perfection only exists in that theoretical world where two minds aren’t facing each other. And that’s not the game we’re playing when we go to the arcade.
In short, a better way to put it would be “The greatest capabilities of Chun matched up against the greatest capabilities of Yun”. But if you put players behind them, then it’s a whole different story. I’ll stfu now. Sorry that was long.
mio, i see what you mean but i think you are missing the point of what i was trying to say a little. when pierre plays sloppy he is getting hits still, or at least escaping relatively undamaged. when i mean yun being played perfect in theory i mean that every combo he goes for he does not fuck up.
no yun is going to win if they keep dropping people out of genei jin combos, or even if they are only capable of flawlessly performing the lower damage GJ options. if yun accidently does a dash punch instead of a shoulder the lag on it allows him to be supered.
i think you were assuming that there is some perfect archetypical way of play that wins in any situation regardless. there is no golden approach, its ume for the win. however, when yun chooses to approach or start a genei he has committed to a game plan and there is still a good chance of fucking up.
meanwhile chun isn’t even capable of throwing out a move with high lag on block except for a blocked sa2. but since chun’s hit confirm is easier than lets say keeper jin or kara palms that is far less likely to happen.
whenever yun picks a good game plan, and there is no perfect one that is true, his game plan requires more execution to get the damage. his screwing up means allot more negatively than it does for chun. that is what i meant by theory and practice.
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i play this matchup about 100 games daily these days against my friend who i am teaching.
I understand where you’re coming from fred, but I still see yun as the winner, just because he controls the match for way more time than chun.
A: He’s constantly building meter no matter what he does
B: if he hit confirms a divekick into low forwardXXstrong dashpunch, he has meter and he’s standing right over you activated. Or if he hits you with low short into jab dash punch same thing, only he has to jump at you if you quick stand.
C: he can potentially do 60% of her life from anywere on the screen with a command grab and 60-50% meter.
D: if he doesnm’t get a full bar from a hit confirm, then he runs away gets meter activates, puts her into the corner, and gets a command grab or hit confirm and takes 50%. Then he’s standing over you again in the corner, waiting for hit confirm or grab, and if he gets it, KO.
So GJ damage+divekick confirm damage= 75% for one mistake. Also, kara grabbing and kara feirce and the walk up short walk up short walk up short confirm/throw tick is still to much for chun to stop with her low jab and random parry. *heheh, and command grab starts with forward, so i sometimes randomly high parry her jab and get free 50% life, lolz.
I could go on and on but I’m going to turn on my ps2 and post up some specs.
an interesting trick I see that Chun Players do against Yun (Yang as well), is if they are baiting his command throw, they are seemingly mashing on RH to “hop” through the command throw into another RH/ hit confirm super.
As a matter of fact, wake-up back RH seems to be the shit with Chun now… super instant, destroys any attempts at grabbing or down parrying that all mighty crouching jab of hers, and if parried, super-jump cancel out of there.
hmm. hsien vs amir mm at evo2k7 is a good example of yun vs chun/ken. both players are top US level players. of course it coulduve gone either way, but hsien edged it out. maybe hsien winning by that small margin shows that yun has that small of an advantage over chun, if that makes any sense. i kno amir used ken a couple of times, but that match up is considered 5-5. is hsien more skilled than amir? or was that just yun for ya? all i know is that amir is a beast, and anyone who can get 1st to 10 against him is very very good.
This is universally agreed. Hugo’s options are much more limited and risky than Ryu’s… so usually when you get beasted by Hugo, you’re getting beasted the player, not Hugo.