I’m not sure what angle to go at this comment. First, what do you mean by “top two”?
Zero isnt quite so hard, lots of people use him in fact. Viper is where the execution starts to get hard: I consider her, shuma, and Dr strange the most execution-demanding, and Shuma and Hsien-Ko the hardest characters to be sucessful with.
Has no one said Galactus yet? He plays like he’s frozen in time.
I don’t think you have a clue of what you are talking about. Just because x is harder than y, doesn’t mean y is harder than everything else.
Yeah, you have your own opinion. No one cares about your opinion unless you can provide some specific reasons as to why you believe it. I could say hulk is the hardest in the game. It’s my own fucking opinion, but no one is going to take it for shit unless I give valid reasons for why I think it. You also did put zero in your list of 3 when the op’s question is hardest characters to use. If you didn’t think he was the hardest, why would you even put him there then? No one is trying to beat up on you or anything like that. The basis of my disgust for what you said is in the post I said before this. The difficulty of a character boils down to the amount of thought required (strategy), and the amount of execution required. Lightning loops require a fair amount of execution, but it’s not some kind of unparallel type of difficulty. You also failed to point out your stupid statement of “fullscreen lightning loops.” I called you out for that shit because you brought up something completely irrelevant to the discussion. You don’t need fullscreen lightning loops in any shape or form. That’s like me saying captain america is the hardest because there’s this one combo that is absolutely not necessary that has multiple one frame links. Zero’s neutral is also extremely easy to get the hang of. You hold down a button for buster. You use it to beat other options. You wait until it’s time to run and swing your fullscreen sword normals until they out prioritize someone. Then you touch of death a character, and do an unblockable mixup until you kill every character.
I have heard people on streams and what not consider zero to be the best character in the game followed by viper, not sure of i agree but i have definetly heard people say this. Im not saying they are incredibly hard to use, i dont think anyone in this game is really, im just saying they’re not your average wesker.
Believe it or not you can argue opinions and tell people why it is wrong. You are saying zero is hard because of full screen lighting loops but doing that just isn’t necessary. Every character has hard combos and tech. Not every character has multi-hitting sword normals, 3 different teleports, the ability to OTG by himself, the ability to cancel anything unsafe into a giant projectile that causes soft knockdown or a special move that crosses up all by itself. Also, you don’t need a stick to be good at using zero. Make one of the triggers :l: or something and hold that during the combos. I’m not saying that he is the easiest character to use, but he definitely is in the easier half of the cast.
I’m not sure I would classify Zero as one of the best characters in the game by far. But the reason that people use characters like Wesker over C.Viper (regardless of their tiers) is because Wesker can put out the same (if not more) amount of goodness with much less execution.
Implying opinions by a dumbass aren’t wrong.
Anyway, there’s a different between an “opinion” and “verbal and textual Garbage”, I think we know which one yours is.
Hsien-Ko has a 1 frame infinite, confirmed for Top tier Execution wise.
Well, sure thing my ill mannered fellow!
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Implying Personal Views can’t be wrong.
Up to the Enlightenment Era, it was the personal view of the majority that those of Colored skin were biologically inferior to Caucasians.
OH SHIT INFERIOR RACE.
A personal view is just as its namesake implies: a personal view. I can’t believe you are actually stupid enough to try and argue against this. I, personally feel that racism is bullshit. Many others feel the same way, many don’t. I can’t go off on saying who is right and who is wrong because those terms don’t apply to opinions. I can ARGUE my point until I’m blue in the face, it doesn’t change the fact of the matter that it’s still JUST my view on the subject.
I…I really can’t believe I have to explain this. I mean, obviously you have the capacity to work a computer, make an account, and post on that account…so you can’t be as stupid as you’re implying right now, right? Or is it foolish of me to underestimate the stupidity of some people in general?
I’m going to go with the latter.
Anyway, if you as well as the others like you are done adding fuel to the fire of this shitstorm, it’d be nice to actually get back into the discussion of the thread topic.
Congratulations! You’re an idiot!
People in the Enlightenment era found Blacks to be biologically inferior, that was their personal View. Said View is completely wrong proven by Modern Science. Members of the Ku Klux still find Blacks to be Biologically Inferior biologically and that’s still wrong.
Personal views CAN.BE.WRONG. Saying they can’t is stupid and naive.
“I’ts my opinion and it can’t be wrong!” is the go-to argument for someone who doesn’t want to admit that what he said was stupid or give an explanation as to why they said that. Also, following, Onslaught’s logic, he can’t say that it is wrong for us to say that his opinion is wrong because it is our personal views on the subject.
That was exactly my point, viper may not be the hardest character in the game to use, but i was simply implying out of the “top tier characters” she is and the harder side.
I dunno, for me the hardest would actually be between like, C.Viper and Chun Li. C. Viper’s difficulty in terms of execution almost totally carries over from SSF.
I want to try CViper. For some reason I generally gravitate towards the more challenging characters to use in every fighting game.
I came back to check on the thread and people are using race analogies to prove their point lol.
But in all seriousness, I think Zero’s one of the hardest characters to use in the game. Trying to keep this short*, I think he has a higher execution and technique/technical/whatever barrier than a lot of characters that people are claiming to be the harder. The trade off is that he has better priority, and a better moves than them (raikousen and buster, which I don’t understand him being able to charge before the beginning of the match). And just because you find lightening loops easy to do, doesn’t mean they are easy. It just means you have good execution, or you just find them easy to do.
I have a lot of respect for Zero’s, and Viper users for that matter. Characters don’t really seem to get any more difficult to use than them, at least technique/execution wise. Though through what I’m reading here, Shuma Gorath might actually be the hardest character to use, if I’m understanding properly his basic bnb’s require quite the execution, but he seems to be a high effort/low reward character if not for his assist?
Oh, and Magneto ¬_¬ Pick out of the ROM and Hyper grav loops, and combine that with his flight or magnetic blast loops. There isn’t no effective fall-back, magic series combo with him. He’s a great character, but you can’t win with just disruptor/magnetic blast and hidden missiles. Well, not really, anyway lol
*= I tried to keep this relatively short lol
Zero is not execution heavy. Lightning Loops, sure those are tough. but he doesn’t need them to be good. the only execution required is being able to let go of a button and use sword normals
I’m still trying to understand what he meant by “Spell of Ashanti”. Is that an unreleased album?
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NO.
What. He doesn’t even Struggle to get a hitconfirm, has the best mobility in the game (arguably), hands down best abare in the game, and has dirt easy combos.
They are easy to do. You are TKing a Shoryuken with a about 10 frames of input lineancy, I wonder if marvel is your first fighting game. Is it as easy to do as a Shoryuken or Hadoken? No, but it’s Much easier than a whole lot of other things that other characters in the game have to accomplish with less frame lineancy and less advantages. Even if you drop a LL, you get a free American reset so it’s a win win either way.
… You don’t have much experience with many characters in the game do you? At least your next response makes up for it.
No. Shuma Gorath is hard not only because of his stupidly tight combos, but because of the stupid things he has to do to GET that proper hitconfirm. Charge Partitioning and plink dashing at the same time is miles more times more execution heavy than anything that Zero has to offer. Coming from a Side shuma player, his assist is highly overrated, it has crazy startup, and alot of moves can stuff him.
You can get pretty far with simple flight combos and simple flight mobility and Zoning actually. Mags is one of the few characters along with Zero, who is pretty good at low level play, great at intermidiate play, and gdlk at high level play.
Sometimes I wonder wtf goes on in the minds of Shoryuken Marvel players. It astounds me that people actually think Zero is execution heavy lol.
But then I realize that Marvel is a starter Fighting game for most and it makes sense