Hard Counter Characters

What abut Honda-Viper?

Both Viper favorites were taken out of EVO by Hondas this year.

Deejay can cl.mk kara throw after a blocked cl.mk against Cody, kinda helps a little to make him think

Isn’t chun and Dudley really bad for Dee Jay?

Don’t even bother mentioning the backdash “buff” it’s so minor I had to double check my videos to make sure I had the right ones when I put this together.

As for the DWU, I agree that for now it’ll be an issue. Once DWU option is added to USF4 training mode, and/or people start using Frame Trapped tool it’ll be a small problem at worst. The technical message appears really quickly after a crMK and plenty of time before you commit with a forward throw. Deejay has an on demand 11F frame kill (crLP). Also you don’t need to be super precise to beat Cody’s options using crossups due to the poor hitboxes + slow startup on EX Zonk and EX Criminal Upper’s first hit.

You’re totally right about the walk speed, Cody can now actually walk forward and block and gain some ground vs air slashers, previously he had to do either a jump in or have an amazing read with EX Ruffian. That shifts the mu quite a bit. Also the loss of low invincibility on LK Sobat means Cody can do crLK more freely. On the flip side, Cody’s punishes versus a block sobat are much lower now on the rare occasional he can even punish them in the first place. Not a big deal since previously Deejay could space sobat to be safe anyway.

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On another subject, I think this whole thread should / could have been rolled into the tier list discussion or general discussion threads and never needed to be it’s own deal.