H. P. Lovecraft would be proud - The Shuma-Gorath thread!

I’ve been trying and I can’t find anything. Maybe someone with a better Shuma than me could confirm but right now I do not think so, and even if there is I think the timing on it would be ridiculously tight. Besides if you’re TACing down into Shuma you’re probably better off comboing into level 3 or going for a TAC cancel more often than initiating an infinite with tight timing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyql1P4MIWE works anywhere on screen and kills every character, and the characters to small to be hit by the Cr H H S (after the St H) have a variation in the notation which will do enough to kill them anyways since tiny characters are so squishy

when you say mystic smash glitches do you mean the tendancy for the H mystic smash to cross in the air? i made character specific notes for every character for that on my phone so i can check before matches. those notes would need an entire new thread though along with some editing since the notations i used were one’s only i understand. almost every character seems to have a unique hit box with it unless they are a lard ass. you’d be surprised how many characters can get 3 super jump H mystic smash loops that aren’t giant characters and they require a very minor adjustment like 1 hit of st H instead of 2. but once you know what that adjustment is and for a fact whether that 3rd loop crosses or not is gold. you won’t have to worry about accidentally doing a hyper mystic ray instead of a lv3 or 2nd guessing yourself when you know you need that 3rd loop to get the kill

mystic smash **assist **glitch ie when your back is anywhere near the wall shuma jumps out halfway across the screen instead of at the spot you’re standing.

also an xfc combo is useless if it doesn’t start off a hit confirm, which changes the hitstun, damage, etc. and 1.1 mil without that stuff in level 3 is pretty poor damage

guard cancel command throw is a confirm last i checked unless they patched hit confirms

edit: CrLMH is a real easy hit confirm also you have 3 hits to realize you need to XF and hold up and do the exact same combo anyways. also haven’t seen any shuma combo OUT of the corner to do this much damage. if my damage is so poor please show me what i’m doing wrong

tons of footage of me playing against a lot of the FGTV guys. A PR rog FT5 money match is in there somewhere… dropped a ton of shuma and combos in general but was pleasently surprised how effective shuma was against a lot of their teams. Safe to say I think he is viable just a liablity and you have to have godlike execution. I think I only landed the 1m shuma corner combo once the entire night. In the beginning I play a phoenix player like 50 matches and really got to develop that anti-phoenix technology.
Things to note about it is the shuma TAC thing wrecked as expected, and one time I jumped up to grab phoenix coming in and he supered, so I xfactored and grabbed again immediately and it worked. I think this was a weird accident, definitely not going to try it again but interesting to note.

To note I tied for 7th with my friend (Spiteful) and my other friend (all 3 of us visiting FGTV from AZ) got 3rd! (Forward) at their Fraud-Free Fridays tournament. Alot of name players showed up. I did extremely well and only lost sets to 2-3 people total, so Shuma is definitely feared now in NorCal (to an extent! :D)

Also… was dissappointed in the lack of Shuma on some set ups.
We actually brought a set up from AZ to the FGTV house and that had shuma which is the reason I got to play so many people. (they put our set up on stream 2).

As for the infinite, I have an idea on how to make one work but with Curleh Mustache coming up (I got invited!) I am going to focus on that, and with evo after that well…

besides I think they said that the infinites are going to be patched :frowning:

ah, only saw the first combo

keeping corner pressure off of a back air throw, cause nobody wants to get foot dived for going for a front air throw. i can’t seem to figure out how to get more damage reliably due to terrible hit stun so the mystic stare is there purely for the wake up mix unless you want a DHC. depending on your 2nd character the DHC has a lot of potential due to those delayed eyes

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also could have used luminous body with firebrand and charged his unblockable during the wake up into the eyesplosions

Props to Angelic for taking Shuma into top 5 at Curleh Mustache 4, I watched the stream live at work (Australia) and had to silently get hyped in your match against Zak Bennett.
Definitely some inspiration to keep Shuma on my team.

After a long time running my Joe teams I’ve gotten back into playing shuma. Although I love the character, and I know this forums had its fair share of “buff shuma” posts, I couldn’t help but think of a few things that I feel would elevate him to a more viable status.

  1. faster forward air dash
    2.larger hitbox on all mystic smash versions to prevent it from being grabbed so easily
    3.more hitstun/blockstun caused by both mystic stare and ray. This would help in combos as well as projectile wars.
    4.This one is something I just think would be cool and pretty unique. Have devitalization do what it does exactly now, but also make it a projectile counter/teleport. As soon as shuma absorbs a 1 hit projectile, he teleports behind the opponent. To add to this, it could be activated by pressing l/m/h soon after the projecticle is absorbed, having each normal correspond to a different tracking teleport (placement could be like dormammu’s, strange’s, whatever).

I feel these would be easy for capcom to add (except maybe #4) and would make him better without changing the character too much.

I know none of this is likely to happen but its fun to think about. I’m still rockin shuma regardless. What do you guys think?

I found the starter for the infinite, but I don’t know what loop to use to keep it going =/

Thanks for the support guys, I knew the chaos god could do it. Off stream but I had a major shuma play vs Kbeast

shuma left, 5 bar with xfactor lv3 vs his entire team of Cviper, Dante, Vergil (I think?) and made a great comeback to take it like 3-1
I tried the new Xfactor lv3 combo done here (the jump cancel M H up+H loop into midscreen mystic ray), it works well but I think i’ll stick to my H shuma loops.
Overall I was surprised how many people came up to me to talk about shuma, it was nice and gave me hope. I still as of now have plans to pick up a new team after evo unless something big happens but he will always be in my heart (no homo)

Is anybody here playing with Shuma on point with Doom or Dorm (or both) somewhere in the back? I´d love to share some combos with you guys but first I wanna know if it´s even worth posting them. I can offer a midscreen 700k bnb with hidden missiles ending in midscreen HMS and a 1,1m corner combo for two bars (basically free because you´ll get two when comboing).
Just tell me if there are any other Shuma/Dorm/Dooms around so I´m not posting these for nothing :slight_smile:

Hey Angelic, can you pinpoint where exactly you play in the link you posted earlier?

I searched through but I couldn’t find you playing

I run dorm anchor and shuma on point with frank in the middle

Dark hole makes converting all grabs much easier (H ray into dark hole -> combo). It can also extend shuma’s corner stuff (H ray into dark hole into mystic stare)
And if you get snapped, shuma is a great assist for dorm teleport shenanigans too.
I find that shuma can’t rely on assists to extend combos unless the team is built around it (wall/ground bounces) because they destroy what little hitstun he has to work with in many cases.

Ah nice, interesting ideas.
I always thought shuma´s grab game outside the corner or forward air grab was kinda weak, but dark hole seems to help him in this department. Personally, my assistchoice for dorm is kinda strange: I use liberation (with 0 power). I can ToD with it in the corner, but it´s useless in every other regard (that ToD however is totally worth it imo). I mostly use my hidden missile assist to get in so a combo-only assist works quite good for me. Going to try the dark hole throw combos though, this could be really helpful in quite a few situations.

Thanks for the idea, I gave up to quickly on that assist :slight_smile:

his forward air throw has next to no recovery unlike the back throw. you don’t even need a laser to combo off of it from any height. low jump forward air throw gets really easy low jump loops or mystic stair BnBs. at super jump height you can do stuff like this

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but that’s only forward air throw. back air throw you have to land and use a laser. you can S them on the way down off a back throw for a decent chunk before the laser and a follow combo but nothing compared to the above. someone good at mystic stare loops can probably improve on this ending with a hyper ray

Yeah, thats why I said aside forward air throw :slight_smile:

I try to go for forward most of the time but sometimes I go back to back throw out of bad habits (and doom´s throwgame). In the corner the type of throw doesn´t matter, you can always pick them up with H ray cr.H xx mystic stare launch. From there you can do the usual corner combo and kill the grabbed character.

That originally was a link directly to the archive with me in it. Unfortunately it looks like that entire fraud free friday was removed.
Guess they didn’t like Arizona coming in and wrecking the place :stuck_out_tongue:

Sorry friend!

How do you all feel about Shuma-Gorath on anchor? I consider him horribly inadequate, but I’m curious about the opinions of those here.

shuma is my anchor of choice. xf3 shuma kills anyone anywhere on the screen with one meter, and almost everyone meterless. guard cancel command throw is a guaranteed dead character and if you have 3 meters when their next character falls in you get a guaranteed chaos dimension which also might instantly kill. but that’s just me, i’m one of those weirdos who plays haggar on point and TOD combos everyone with him off almost every hit confirm…when i could just be mashing assist and widdling his health away with his cruddy assist which doesn’t do shit anymore.