Nah, UMvC3 guide says both give 30% (3000 points of meter). I think the 25% is a mistake (at least in Ultimate, I can’t speak for vanilla).
I know that Morrigan’s assist is better but I just prefer Ammy’s utility in the 3rd spot on a Firebrand team compared with Morrigan. The fact that she has a meter building assist is a bonus and can allow you to perpetuate the snapback loop. Of course Cold Star is ridiculously good with Firebrand so if you don’t already have a great lockdown assist it’s a no-brainer - loved seeing Zak predict a tech-roll forward and use the unsafe ground version of Bon Voyage to push his opponent into Cold Star, that was dirty!
Amaterasu has much better DHC synergy with Firebrand and IMO has a better shot at comebacks without being reliant on meter. I don’t personally use either but I have been dabbling with Ammy as I feel she probably offers more team balance than my current Sentinel (although I love Doom/Sentinel as a shell).
Oh I am a huge proponent of the FB/Ammy synergy all-around. And I’m sure Ammy on meter assist is still perfectly viable, so as long as you’re okay with a suboptimal configuration you can make it work.
I use FB/Viper/Ammy; ammy/viper synergy is amazing, and so is FB/Viper. FB doesn’t do a lot for viper but that’s why he’s first on point.
Well, I know for sure lockdown is amazing with Frebrand, but what makes a good third for that team?
(Viper sounds like a good idea…? Why do Firebrand and Viper have good synergy together?)
Well for one Firebrand can raw tag into Viper after a Bon Voyage. It fixes his damage problem, plus Viper + Ammy in the corner is basically as absurd as FB + Ammy. Your point character goes down, and that duo can still easily make a comeback for you. I don’t know much about how FB helps Viper while she’s actually on point though (might want to ask Chrisis), but he can set her up well. Burn Kick is also good combo filler (again ask Chrisis lol) and is generally good for any character that doesn’t need much help getting in and likes more unblockable options.
What AEON said. Firebrand’s swoop assist kinda helps to cover the blind spot just above viper and can be used for combo extension, but otherwise he’s not much good to her. They have shithouse DHC synergy though.
Sounds like you could be in trouble if someone snapped in and killed Amaterasu…
What do you think about Super Skrull [Tenderizer or Orbital Grudge], Firebrand [Demon Missile (Swoop)], Amaterasu [Cold Star]?
I hope Firebrand’s assist makes Skrull’s Elastic Slam safe-ish and Amaterasu helps out both Skrull and Firebrand a lot.
Also, I can DHC from Inferno to Dark Fire for a kill or, after an Inferno kill, DHC into Luminous Body and use Tenderizer for the unblockable (that way, I only have a relatively useless assist when I need it!). Skrull has a lot of damage output; maybe he can combo out of a Bon Voyage raw tag for a lot of damage just like Viper can? (Can’t test it for a long time though… is this true?) I think Inferno and Dark Fire can both DHC into Okami Shuffle for a kill or Veil of Mist after a kill, too. I suppose the team has a pretty normal THC…?
Even if any one character dies, the other two can function well on their own and all three make good anchors (except possibly Firebrand).
I might want Orbital Grudge because Tenderizer is fairly useless outside of snap-in or incoming-death situations and Cold Star fulfills that role well, so Orbital Grudge would help Firebrand with mix-ups and resets, theoretically. It’s a fairly safe assist because Skrull has hitboxes on all sides and has super armor, but the assist shouldn’t matter too much because he’s on point.
So what do you think?
I don’t think you can go wrong with those 3 on the same team, although that may or may not be the optimal order.
I’m just afraid Tenderizer and Cold Star both assisting Firebrand will be really redundant… what is the best order?
Someone else was talking about running FB/Skrull/Ammy … I can see that order being good too since Skrull likes the blockstun from Cold Star to help set up his command grabs. You might also go FB/Ammy/Skrull for the FB/Ammy THC (easy unblockable for 2 bars) and because Skrull works as an anchor too. Your order would definitely work fine too - these guys have at least some degree of synergy in any order. I don’t play Skrull, so your best course of action would probably be to experiment. I can only theorycraft so far - the rest comes down to your own personal taste.
Firebrand/Wolverine/Sentinel.
There is no damage problem.
So how fast does the OTG have to be to combo off of Firebrand’s Bon Voyage’s raw tag? Super Skrull’s Stone Smite is not only really slow, but needs a wall bounce (which Bon Voyage will have used up), and Brutal Pile Bunker needs the ground bounce that Devil’s Claw (in the BNB) would use up…
In the Firebrand/Wolverine/Sentinel team, how is Firebrand’s damage problem fixed? (I’m not denying what it is or even wondering what it is, just asking so I can gain some insight into other characters so I can make better teams…?)
Maybe I should use Felicia (with Toy Touch for the fast OTG) instead…? The team would then be Firebrand/[Dante/Amaterasu/Skrull]/Felicia, so I could have unblockables too! Which of the three middle partners is the best?
I’m not sure of the frame specifics of the bon voyage raw tag tech - I only know that it works with both Viper and Zero. I’ve actually thought about putting Felicia with Firebrand/Amaterasu, not only for unblockables but because Rolling Buckler is invincible as a crossover counter.
Viper and Zero have fast OTGs, I think… or at least Viper’s is really fast.
I was thinking the same thing about Felicia! (That means that I wasn’t totally wrong… pleasantly surprised.) But would that mean Felicia should actually be second?
Although Felicia’s BNB usually has an Air Delta Kick in it, which would cause a ground bounce… then again, even Dante’s Stinger in his BNB causes a wall bounce… sounds like all partners besides Viper would call for a shortened post-tag combo or for Firebrand to change his pre-tag combo…?
If you’re good at snap ins with Firebrand. Weaken the opponent as much as you can. Then Wolvie comes in and cleans up when Firebrand dies. If you run a good wolvie then teams crumple beneath your feet, cause Level 2 x-factor is a one combo kill.
Also Air Fatal Claw -> Luminous body gives Firebrand enough time to set-up and unblockable if necessary (probably won’t need that though). The team ain’t about keeping Firebrand alive for the entire match, it’s about making Wolvie’s job piss easy. But also since both become major threats while backed by drones I feel as if I’ve found a really solid team.
Also Yellow brand/Yellow Wolvie/Yellow Sent FTW
^ Haha YES color-coordination is important (at least for OCD people like myself).
If the raw tag tech ends up working with Felicia, I’d put her 2nd, otherwise she should definitely anchor.
Felecia was born to be anchor dude! It would be a disservice not to have her as anchor!
I went into training mode to try it out with Felicia and it’s a bit fiddly. I don’t know if I have the execution for it tbh, but it seems really tight, plus hit stun deterioration hits Firebrand AND Felicia really hard so it might be hard to get a lot of damage off of it unless you’re going for a level 3. You should totally try though, there’s probably a way to make it work out, plus I really like how dangerous the offence such a team would have! Spencer might work with tk grapple, and it would be an easy meterless/TACless way to level Frank West up too. You’ve just got to experiment!
Wow, thank you so much for trying it out in training! 
The next time I play, I’ll definitely have to super lab this out… I imagine at best, Felicia might get Toy Touch to one jump loop and then one air magic series to OTG xx super? That probably still won’t do very much damage… darn it. (Keeping my fingers crossed!)
Doesn’t Spencer use a wall bounce for his TK grapple OTG…? (Not really sure because I don’t play Spencer, but doesn’t he kick them off the wall or something?) Meterless AND TACless Frank leveling sounds way too amazing though…
However it works, I think Firebrand/Amaterasu/Felicia is still a good order if it works because after the tag, it’ll be Felicia/Amaterasu/Firebrand, which is still a good order. I could always DHC into Veil of Mist after a kill (or Luminous Body after that if I’m sitting on infinite meter or something) and then tag in Firebrand… it would end up Firebrand/Felicia/Amaterasu…? Need to keep track of order…
Definitely hitting the lab the next time I play with this team! Thank you so much!
EDIT: All red team! If I use Felicia’s red costume…