I only wanted to write an answer to common claims for the outside viewer. I don’t want anyone to mistake my posts as attacks on a person rather than on a point of view but here things get heated way too easily, so I’ll refrain from quoting a specific source next time.
Its for the good of the youtube videos.
This clown made the first page on ny times…
Fuck humanity again
It means that Elliot Rodger possesses many of the traits a feminist has: no desire for self-improvement (feminist example: fat acceptance) , victim mentality, materialistic, hates alpha males, narcissistic, vain, and so on.
Choosing between being like Elliot and being a feminist is almost the same thing…ironic that he has stated his dislike for feminists.
A world hostile to a specific group or people is a world that encourages hostility towards that group. In terms of women, there are few places with a culture that encourages hostility toward women. In most places (and in all the Western world), violence against women is condemned.
Otherwise, if you define areas that are hostile to women simply and only as areas where hostile acts toward women happen, then yes “the world” is hostile towards women. However, that would also mean the world is hostile to EVERYONE, because hostility happens to everyone, everywhere. So if that is the logic you are going by, you have a VERY weak argument.
I read his entire 130-page manifesto, so I know his world view. As I said earlier in this thread, his upbringing (being raised by a doting mother who handed him everything, and a weak, unavailable father), had a HUGE effect on his personality. A strong male role model would have done him wonders.
Elliot Rodger did not have “toxic masculinity”. He was much the opposite of masculine: shy, non-assertive, passive, fearful, etc. He was quite effeminate, actually.
Edit: Just to clear up any confusion, I do not excuse Elliot Rodger for what he did. He is a pathetic, weak piece of shit.
@Zero
Violence against women isn’t as condemned as you think. Not even on this continent. There’s a reason Slut Walk exists, and that reason has everything to do with where that condemnation is actually aimed.
That #YesAllWomen hashing also exists for a reason: either an alarming number of women fear for themselves every single day regardless of income bracket and choice of clothing, or they’re lying. I strongly doubt it’s the latter.
The whole line about feminists not wanting self improvement I’m going to pretend you didn’t say, because you’re smarter than to actually believe that. I’ll assume it was a brain fart or something.
Ditto re: the world being hostile to everyone. No shit; of course it is. Non of that precludes that the world’s hostility plays favorites based on gender, both at the source and destination. Just because there are other injustices doesn’t mean this one is invalid, and to argue that is way weaker than actually acknowledging the problem. It’s like handwaving away racism against black people because occasionally, seldomly, some white guy faces racism.
Toxic masculinity example: saying the guy was “quite effeminate” for his passivity, or for being a very obviously mentally ill person. That’s not effeminate: that’s damaged.
This is a perfect example of how the issue is not even remotely understood on SRK. What was typed here is EXACTLY what’s wrong. THAT is the patriarchy/misogyny right there. That is the problem. You think the power is in the hands of the woman, it’s not. She is still fulfilling the role men decided for her, a whore. The fact that SRK sees her as having the power, while not surprising, is exactly why this topic can’t be discussed here…
I have got the urge to give wedgies and swirlees
So about that kid…
the cold hard truth is, he’s right though. You think men decided a woman could be a whore? Women have been doing it for ages, usually organized by women. First women allowed to own their own property were whores. And I do apologize for using the word whore so much. SP, sex worker, prostitute, whatever lingo you wanna use.
A lot of young girls completely take advantage of their looks to further their agenda/career/future. Just one look at pro sports and the girls the atheletes have throwing themselves at them. Rink rats (hockey), ring rats (wrestling), I’m sure all sports have their nicknames for these girls.
A fat girl can still go to a club and get attention and use her feminine wiles to get what she wants. A fat guy, not so much.
What?
Your entire argument is that women have power by subjugating themselves to get what they want. Who do you think decides that? Who chooses to allow that? MEN. They still have the power. If men said no to sex or the prospect of getting laid, that power disappears, its not real power. It’s perceived power through personal subjugation. I can’t imagine how you see this as an advantage.
yet again, you seem to think they’re subjugating themselves.
@The Damned
It’s not so much men should help just women, it’s just anyone should help anyone. Sadly guys treating women like shit in most average cases from my experience slide on shit or else stuff liek what happened at Fanime to friends of mine wouldn’t have happened because people saw a woman being harassed and just let it slide cuz “Dudes just playing around”. And yeah women should handle their own problems but when you’re in a uncomfortable situation and you don’t know to many people around you standing up for yourself can be dangerous, this si true for both men and women but women more so in my own experience having friends go through things and talking to women. Something it seem a lot of people in this thread haven’t done for a long time.
And now back to ducking this thread.
Here’s how it works, not on the superficial level but on the “part of society” level. Men want sex. We can all agree to that. With the exception of about 10% of the male community give or take, those men want women to have sex with. This is the baseline of everything that defines women in our culture. They aren’t defined by who they are (as a whole, not individually), but by how sexy they are. Look at the media. This is where men have real power as opposed to perceived power. What we wants becomes the definition of an entire gender in our culture. The reason it’s subjugation is because they are doing what we want because on a societal level, we have conditioned women to believe that most their worth lies in their ability to attract men. THAT is why a woman can “use her sexuality” because we have created a culture in which that is how women are mostly defined.
NOW, I’m going to pre-empt everyone who has a “nuh-uh, look at this woman…” argument, I’m not talking about anything on a individual level, I’m talking about a societal norm as a whole. A great quote from comedian Jackie Kashian about this whole thing is this - “Fish don’t think about water, they just live their lives in it.” We don’t notice the sexist things or misogynistic things in our society at it’s most base level because it’s the water we’ve lived in for so long. THAT’S what women want to change.
Yikes.
Wtf, you can’t just call me because you don’t know how to respond to an argument anymore. Granted this thread is probably cancer but come the fuck on.