Gunman Opens Fire at Madden Championship Event

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If we want to think logically , you can put it in other ways. If cars were made safer and cross walks put in would that stop people getting ran over ? Possibly , but it would still happen.

If we got rid of guns would all these people still be alive ? Most probably.

Reminds me of an add they ran here, they ask a guy how many people is acceptable to get killed on the road per year and he says 20, then they roll out the 20 people and it’s his whole family. Changes his mind pretty quick.

As it stands America is comfortable to lose a few hundred people a year to guns. There’s no two ways about it. I don’t think everyone agrees that’s acceptable, but some do.

In my line of work, we call it zero harm. Although nobody expects we can go a year without injury, it’s still the goal.

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I think the point being made is that there are far more pressing issues in 'Murika than the occasional nutjob using one in a murderous manner that fits the media definition of unacceptable enough to be acceptable for broadcast.

Cops murder people left and right, with wanton disregard for rule of law.

As do mobsters.

As do other criminals.

Criminals like drug dealers.

Funnily enough, people actually believe that the solution to the lattermost, is legalizing everything… so more drugs.

Maybe we just need MORE guns in America.

If guns become mandatory, I want Potemkin finger bullets for MY concealed carry.

I am BY FAR more afraid of getting shivved by one of the legion of homeless people around here.

Yet I am not going to live in fear of it.

I’ll even drop them a $20, if the situation arises.

But I rarely carry cash.

Ban debit cards.

They kill thousands of potential acts of kindness.

Kill the housing industry, come to think on it.

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The bottom line is you asked how we Americans deal with this. I told you how we deal with it. Wether you like that answer or not really doesn’t matter. There are other far more likely things to happen to us then being shot at a gaming events and we choose to prioritize those things and not love in fear of doing the things we want.

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It’s a touchy subject. I just don’t think I could brush it off to bad luck if my son got shot at school. Personally.

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Meanwhile in Japan, you have 127 million and yearly gun deaths in the single digits. Effective gun control laws that require strict psyche exams and accuracy tests, that have to be done every three years. That, plus a limit on firearms stores per prefecture.

Of course, there you also have cops who are trained to use less than lethal means and aren’t allowed to carry off duty.

Comprehensive gun control works, especially if it applies to everyone, and there’s a high level of trust among everyone involved. Sadly won’t happen in the US due to a number of factors, 2nd amendment nutjobs, militarised police, etc.

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No one knows what they woud do if that happened until it happens. I sure as shit don’t.

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I doubt you’d be pro gun. The counter people make seems to come from a position of ignorance . It’s not happened to me and probably won’t, so I’m cool with it.

Although I don’t disagree fixing the other problems would also be possibly more benificial. I mean you can do both right? Ban guns and help the mentally unstable. It doesn’t have to be a single path.

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I am pro gun, but i am also pro regulation.

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Wouldn’t regulation be too tough at this stage? I mean it’s a start. Feels like that ship sailed, but again I’m not amongst it, I basically know nothing.

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That shipped sailed in 1787. Which is another problem. I’ll give you a long ass post addressing a bunch of things. There’s a lot of things that go into it. Unfortunately your “son” and purbeast are legitimately illiterate so they ignored a bunch of it posted in a diff subforum.

The biggest problem being that the underlying causes for why those things happen doesn’t get addressed. Poverty, drug prohibition and mental health are the biggest causes of crime. The above example of Japan is hilariously bad too compare with the U.S. for some other reasons I’ll address tomorrow.

Either way, if people really, really wanted to lower gun violence in the U.S., they’d ask for the DEA to be shut down, they’d make sure minimum wage kept up with inflation and then they’d campaign for better access to mental health (on top of really informing people about the dangers of psychiatric medicine can pose). But instead people want to ban guns and then leave all the other things that’ll continue creating issues intact.

But what can you do.

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I think your points are valid, but I can’t argue against someone who wants them banned either. Seems to me it’s just a mess over there. Canada is right next door yet seems to share none of your issues ( I did live there) , although the population is smaller I guess.

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The big problem is that people only really start to try and prevent these things AFTER something happens. Not before… This isn’t hate either. Just something I’ve noticed in this kinda stuff.

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Banning guns is not the solution at all and that will never happen. There’s already way too many out there. What has to be done is make them harder to legally obtain. There has to be more regulation. There should be some sort of annual or biannual registration period that includes mental health check, background over the past 2 years, or something along those lines. I don’t have the exact solution, but something along those lines.

But nothing is going to happen. More thoughts and prayers will be passed around for the families and victims and nothing more.

This isn’t also just bout mass shootings, it’s just when a mess shooting happens it always comes to the lime light. Generally speaking people are way too trigger happy now a days, cops included. It’s like when people used to fist fight 10 years ago, instead now they just shoot and kill each other. And it has to do with the ease of access to guns cause that didn’t happen 1 or 2 decades ago.

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Even though it’ll never happen, just imagine the shit storm that would come with a gun ban. Whose going to enforce the ban? The police? The military? Lol! How do you know whose armed and who isn’t when guns are passed around to family, friends and complete strangers.

Lastly I just don’t think people who suggest gun bans understand how US citizens would react to the government trying to take guns away.

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The biggest reason for all this gun violence is obviously the new Fortnite craze.

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I live in a liberal northern city, and you wouldn’t believe the number of people who would openly advertise that they would gladly murder anyone who tried to enforce gun control.

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Well confirmed that he was actually crazy.

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“His hair would very often go unwashed for days. When I took his gaming equipment controllers away so he couldn’t play at 3 or 4 in the morning, I’d get up and find that he was just walking around the house in circles,” the mother said, according to a transcript in the court files.

At one point, she put his gaming controllers in her bedroom behind a locked door and he punched a hole in the door, she said.

He was admitted to the nearby Sheppard Pratt mental health system for about 12 days in late 2007. Court documents say a psychiatrist at that time administered antidepressants. He later spent about 13 days at Potomac Ridge, a mental health services facility in Rockville.

So… why exactly was he allowed to buy a gun?

Federal law requires gun buyers to disclose whether they have ever been involuntarily committed to a mental institution. Maryland law prevents someone from passing a background check to buy guns if they were either involuntarily committed for any period of time or voluntarily admitted to a psychiatric facility for at least 30 consecutive days. Katz’s two known hospitalizations as an adolescent did not reach that threshold.

“It appears that these disqualifications did not apply to David Katz,” said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

Oh.

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Gun laws are fine! /s

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I believe what gets people the most riled up about stuff like this is that this is happening in places where people should feel safe. Like sure, more pedestrians will die from getting run over, but with the article Pertho posted earlier, they include irresponsibilities of the pedestrian and the driver.

One possibility can be seen during rush hour in downtown Chicago just by looking at both the drivers of the dozens of vehicles inching through traffic and the scores of pedestrians crossing the busy intersections. One thing many have in common is that their eyes are down, staring at their phones.

“We are crazy distracted,” says Melody Geraci, deputy executive director of the Active Transportation Alliance, a Chicago group advocating for better walking, cycling and public transportation options. “After speeding and the failure to yield, distractions are the number three cause [of pedestrian fatalities], particularly by electronic devices.”

Drivers distracted by their devices are a well-documented, rising cause of traffic crashes, but there are a growing number of pedestrians, too, who can become oblivious to traffic around them.

The guy who got laser pointed at shot first at the Madden event doesn’t have any of these responsibilities to uphold before getting shot. You can’t say part of the reason he’s a statistic is because of an irresponsibility of him hitting buttons at DAT MADDEN. Not looking to see if a laser was shooting across the wall in the span of one or 2 seconds. He was just doing what he was supposed to be doing at that venue and there isn’t anything of responsibility he could have done to prevent getting shot in the chest for being good at DAT MADDEN.

Since gun laws aren’t going to change and people need their guns, something else has to be enforced. What seems to be in common with these people that shoot up schools, concerts and gaming events?

  1. They have recorded mental issues.
  2. They have clear evidence of messages on twitter and other social media platforms of them talking about killing people or praising serial killers.
  3. They always find some loophole to get a gun.

#3 just about nothing can be done about immediately or in the near future because MAH GUNZ.

Which leaves us with 1 and 2. People who clearly have records of mental issues and regularly talk about killing people and praise others that kill people should be banned from gaming events or anything where innocent people regularly go to be social. If Wolfkrone can be pushed to be banned from events because he tries to swindle brackets, organizers at Madden/Overwatch/SF events can ban people like David from setting foot at these places.

IIRC Dark Prince was banned from Evo because he threatened online to bring a knife to Evo back in 07/08. That was before social media. David Katz clearly had way too much evidence about him to have access to events. People like him should be researched and banned by TOs. People like him shouldn’t have access to the gaming events and money prizes of people who have far better moral, ethical standards and state of mind. This needs to be done to stop these people who others clearly know and see from shooting shit up.

Videos like the one below don’t always show up immediately after a pedestrian death, but they sure do show up immediately after a public event shooting. Rightfully so.