No worries man. Its no competition, just friendly sparring making eachother better…none of that who’s better than who madness. Maybe you haven’t played with us in here a lot but its never on that tip. What time though? I’ll see if some others wanna join.
Whats even funnier is you are missing the entire point of this thread… But whatever… I’m willing to just drop it and move on at this point… What’s even crazier… when I try to re-read to see what went wrong… I can’t even tell what made the convo go south now bc your shit isn’t even there…
I’ve been reading through these pages… And I do have a Love / Hate relationship with Gouken… Funny shit.
@Raw as far as Scissor… I’m not negating the fact that you can focus it… But I just find it extremely hard to do it when you are playing a Bison who is switching it up… Maybe un-reliable might be a good way to describe it. It just seems like the success of doing that would be almost the same as kongo… If that makes any sense.
Like I said though… I can’t really follow where this convoy took a wrong turn but… I do think my first 2 or 3 responses were salt free…
But what’s done is done and what’s said is said… Its a new year now so let’s make the best of it…
Here’s to 2013 and 23 more pages of venting!
Everything is friendly over here. At least we will get to share ideas. The time is up to you. Im free all day tomorrow.
i will add this is the deepest knowledge base …always been…literally been on safe faux vortex hd ambig since late vanilla w MASSA theorizing developing…
there are myriad reasons i respect the core here…we all provide offerings…
a true master conceals tech at will for the sake of the art…
nevertheless we cannot own the art …lest we become one with it…
There is a lot ive gathered here and some that isnt here to ultimately move the character forward in his evolution. But what Im proposing isnt a complete revamping of how the character works. Its just going deeper into his inner workings. Honestly, what I have to show isnt for new goukens. The only thing I would tell new goukens is that gouken isnt just a rushdown character or just a zone character. I believe he needs to use both playstyles in both defending and advancing to get the best results with him. Thats why i came here. Is it crazy to say he can do some of the things im proposing…no. Maybe its just because the most recent tech for gouken that can help him in certain matchups that came out was a myrid of unblockable setups. But all the tech released coupled with what I have, my tech and theory, will shine light on why Gouken I believe and many others that he has always been one of the most deadliest characters in the game against any character. Hands down. And It was so in vanilla. He had links then(most were one framers). Same setups to stuff, whiff reversals. And they never changed forward throw or ex palm, thus always having ways to land a 3 frame safe jump. Overhead divekick, damage output that rivaled sagat, stun output that rivaled akuma. Denjin gave him more setups. Different speeds added to denjin gave a slew of character specific setups that arent used, at all. The thing is, Yun wasnt even safe when he was introduced. The match was in his favor but all matches for gouken are uphill battles because you have to know the cast and what you can do to them individually. That is how goukens character works. Thats why he has a parry, especially now with 3 zones.
He is a character that is meant to be played by knowing the other characters. Every matchup, gouken has options and setups for everyone. All your top tier characters have a funny thing in common. Gouken can combo them in ways he cant others. Thats when I knew what Gouken potentially was. A defensive rushdown, or to put it more acurrately, a defensive knockdown character. Once he gets the knockdown, “Super String Theory”. Difference is, unlike akuma, his vortex is litterally character specific. He has one for everyone. Some can get out with meter but those same characters without meter, are hit the hardest. Thats why his Flip Kick art and Gouki’s have different angles and hitbox. There are some things Gouki can do with his flip kick that Gouken cant, but it goes both ways.
Playing Gouken, I must admit, has opened my eyes to the way this game works a little. With a character like gouken, one that shows some vast differences between himself and the whole cast, you cant but help try to find anything that could help him in a match. Ive found stuff the whole cast can do that isnt regularly done. Like knowing the timing on your invincible back dash to move through projectiles or normals, even ultras. Some characters are actually really good with this and if someone exploits it, it might become normal in top play.
There are character specific things with every character. Gouken is a character who can exploit those weaknesses and dominate, with regular practice and enough matches. Thats why I say he is the hardest to master. But also the character to look out for this year and after. It may be why he seems incomplete but if you do your homework you will figure out he has more than a fighting chance.
Man… 3 zone parry is bullshit! Even more situational and character specific…
I’m working on a list though…For example you can Kongo almost all of Oni’s jump ins with HP with a great rate of success… The only one that can really throw you off is if he does Dj lk. On your wake… The rest of his hit boxes seem to be very big up top, so hp Kongo catches them.
Another easy way to test is to just grab the hit boxes of what they jump in with and over lap them with Kongo.
I found this to be a swathe of sweeping generalisations and tired hyperbole, personally.
interesting…
Bottom line bring the tech before the masters table for discussion…we only fortify tech here…
Before my stick broke I was on some new shit and rushed to put out some bs low quality vids for the sake of the art… Once I’m back up it’s deep tech time…alot of us have him going in different directions with him but covering mad ground…there are alot of deep goukens here yet were not all making runs at shit for zone weird reason yet at locals we All seem to hang at least …
Alot of us are working at mastering shin sho still , if your tech is that enlightening thenby all means enhrall this forum with your insights
tech tech tech
sometimes i feel like im the only one on here that focuses on fundamentals.
that tech is based off them sf2 fundamentals …that more than a game shit that go to sleep and dream of playing differently … The fundamentals are good but the tech is what defines each of our styles styles rooted in sf2 fundamentals like spacing baiting hard knockdown setup frame traps safe jumps there’s not one of us by now here who doesn’t possess most or all of these traits
goukens fullest potential is consecrated here or will be soon someday
This isnt the masters table. More like the right wing of the masters domain. I told you I got a lot of stuff that was eventually posted here. I can say that I learned a lot about goukens ability to stuff reversals here and i learned what safe jumps were through these pages but honestly thats as deep as it got for me. When someone released something on here, 7/10 times I knew of it before hand. I used to live in the lab with Gouken. And the only reason why I havent posted vid is because thats not my thing. I put it out there in text form. Far from everything. A precursor for what has already been discovered. And @AmigoOne…Gouken is THE fundamentalist. You could win most games just using basic fundamentals and his basic tool set. Infiltration anyone! But played at the highest level, he is something def worth watching.
And no Im not saying im the sole left sided domain. Just that @Iam @Dek @Takin proved that I really have plenty of ideas, strats, tech, combos, setups, etc. that isnt readily available on SRK. I could help update everything. Its just finding the time. Which is why I have no problem telling anyone how to do SOME of these things. Just dont be assholes to someone you never heard of. Because as much as I dont hear of anyone on here, Ive followed you all since this started and still have respect for you all. And I dont even know you.
Reversals and safe jumps is all anyone learns here unblock that’s all anyone cares about for the most part , I didn’t need this forum for that either I reallly thought that was all fundamental gouken but later learned alot of goukens aren’t on or weren’t on that tip aolt of the new goukens learned alot here when I play the newest bandwagonners I put fundamental gman on em all day…but to say that because the tech isn’t posted doesn’t mean it isn’t known about and so far I’m waiting to be wowed …not being a dick but I’m on this board everydy and often time it to merely see how conventional wisdom is progressing here and when the well looks dry I pop in for shitlike slide Kara fb or pAss thru glitch or os iat or … the og’s beeeens on some shit…we just curious as to what’s being brought to the table… Ud be surprised I’m sure as we would probably an readily embellish or welcome any new developments
but to be I’m on some unknown shit is played out …we are the rebellion not the empire
What did I help prove or approve???
My last request to you was to post some videos… not too nicely… then I went to church and came back trying to get a long… you still didn’t post any videos.
Aside from running from Bison’s Scissor with FOCUS Back Dash…
I still want to see you do a 3 frame safe jump on a srk… and Be able to hit him if he blocks and land in time enough to avoid the srk if he reversals.
You keep talking about what’s not available and what’s not seen, and what you know etc… etc…
POST IT MAN!!! No one is begging for your vids… or you tech… you are offering it to be so different and much better than what we’ve already being working with…
So in short… Bring it… The only reason I started posting videos… is b/c I used to go back in forth with people saying… Gouken Cant… Gouken Can’t… NO you can’t IAM… blah blah wah wah…
So I posted the vids… it PROVED I knew my shit…
You gotta prove it man… Stop ranting about what you could do and just do it and Shut D Fuck UP.
Besides… me thinks that this guy is a troll.
Ghost Deleting…
He posted Takin Flights line one time… “ADD ME AND GET AT ME” when he left his XBL and PSN tags…
In another posted above he call the Vortex “SUPER STRING THEORY”… . Which that’s the title I gave it in the Shin Sho Dojo / Safe Jump Threads…
Either you are trolling or you riding dick, and is get mad b/c you can’t get close to the sack.
The Floor is YOURS…
By claiming what I have doesn’t exist.
Lurker here.
But I would guess troll, as it is well noted that you cannot safe jump a 3 frame reversal. 3 landing frames means you cannot have a jumping hurtbox and recover in time to block.
Trust me when I say Im loving all the responses of what ppl dont believe exists. Im not saying you are wrong, im just saying im not.
You can stuff a 3 frame reversal, make one miss, but you can’t safe jump one. I mean its that simple. Not by how we know the definition of a safe jump. Of course there are anti dp setups, but that is something different altogether.
Back to lurking (and learning gouken). Have fun with this.