Not difficult, just retarded. As in, even if you could do dash qcf x 2 100% of the time the spacing requirement is so dumb it isn’t worth it. Comboing into it from something like j.hp > c.hp xx tatsu FADC Ultra does not give you any significant damage boost over xx EX Palm dash HK tatsu so you use two bars instead of one and your full Ultra meter for no real gain other than a hard knockdown.
Furthermore, I would love to know why if spaced correctly and you FADC into Shin sho from the front it lands but if you dash under (due to spacing) it misses. Does the opponents hitbox magically disappear? Your dash doesn’t take any longer, you are just on the other side. It’s pretty frustrating.
Either way you should def learn the FADC qcf x2 motion. It’s great off anti-air fireballs. I was training myself to react to jumps in the corner with dash Ultra as opposed to palm which is auto in my head. Just had the dummy jumping in the corner and I would hit them with a hp fireball, dash and Ultra. Some people you can do HP fireball dash EX fireball > Shinsho. I was quite happy that when I got online my first opponent got caught by a HP fireball trap in the corner and got shin-sho’d! Only does 450 damage with full bar but still. Demoralizing.
Yeah, I’m kind of an “inside the box” kind of player so I rarely try to shin-sho outside of back throw or off ex palm although I’ve been buffering it in more situations lately. It sucks that it’s slow as hell. I like the idea of being able to Focus cancel through a fireball like Ken’s and landing U1. I’ll see if I can get this down.
Definitely buffer it against any character that has a way to go through fireballs i.e. Balrog or Cammy or Gouken. I’d say Blanka too but I’ve had situations where I tried to Shin sho EX balls only to have Blanka pass through me during the 13 frames of startup (apparently being invincible means you disappear into another alternate dimension and people can pass through you) and I whiff and die.
When Cammy spin knuckles - Ultra. When Balrog TAPs or EX dashes through a fireball - Ultra (you are either getting hit by the dash or Ultra it so don’t even bother blocking). Same thing for EX psycho crusher… You get the point. When Gouken thinks it is a good idea to followup blocked fireballs with a palm… Ultra. Buffering is worth it in so many ways
I would not use ultra against EX Psycho, it recovers fast enough sometime it will just whiff unless you have the spacing down. Beside he can EX scissor you in that range anyway with more damage.
I do recommend ultra Chicken wing, it is actually really easy to react to after I tried it a few time.
Chicken wing as well… I use Ultra against EX psycho crusher when they try to blow through a full screen fireball to get that frame advantage when they wake up. EX tatsu can whiff on that thing.
Shin sho is also incredibly lovely when Bison tries to cross you up on your wakeup with regular psycho crusher. Free damage. Easy to do on reaction.
I know. I just wanted to see/show that those can be done with dj.mk which we use a lot more often than dj.hp/hk while on the offense. Granted I could’ve done Gflips as well. Glad you enjoyed the video #6 was a bitch to do for some reason.
Agreed on both counts. I would really love to see tatsu CONNECT crouchers when we are combo-ing. Dumbest shit I’ve seen. cl.st.MP xx cr.MP xx hk.tatsu is like the easiest link the world and it establishes enough distance to reliably shin sho after FADC. When I say reliably, I say 80-90% of the time. Sadly, if you get dealt the 10% or if you are in the corner and you cross yourself up, your opponent now gets free ultra.
Haha, I wanna see that I found some replays that I’m pretty sure demoralized my opponents even though they played the respective round better than me for about 90% of the duration. Here you go.
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Ahh my kryptonite. Mr. Blanka. I did buffer Ultra in the video I posted above but I think it was pretty obvious I was doing it I don’t know how you Ultra chicken wing on reaction. I’ve gotten shin sho against chicken wings but they were on reads far more than reaction :S
You throw a fireball and you buffer your Ultra motion while you are recovering. If he chicken wings through it you hit the punches.
Another way to hidden buffer your Ultra is to crouch. I do this against balrog when I’m really low on life and cornered and he just needs two or three dash punches to chip me out. Crouch and do this motion repeatedly… :db: :d: :df: :d: :db: and just keep doing it. When something on the screen happens you being the controller to :f: and hit your punches. Ultra.
It is all about reactions. You are looking for something very specific, you know he wants to dash straight you to chip you, it’s going to come, you just have to react. You can do the same vs Adon when you are pegged in the corner. Looks like you are just crouch blocking cause you don’t move. If Adon walks up and tries to st.hk you or does a jaguar kick thing… Boom. Ultra.
You can obviously be baited because your time to react is pretty god damn tight.
No, it’s not mashing, I’m not doing it in a block string, I’m sitting there looking like I’m holding down back when really I’m buffering Ultra since the Ultra shortcut is :d: :df: :d: :df: :f:
You only need to go to forward once, and that’s the last input. Just hitting the corners constantly leaves me one direction away from an Ultra.
It’s particularly effective with Rog since if he pokes you are getting him, if he does any dash you get him, if he TAPs you got him and if he goes EX anything, especially EX overhead, you armorbreak and got him.
I think of mashing when you are just hitting the buttons and doing the motion over and over and over while you are being hit or during a blockstring praying someone messes up.
It’s good to mash some times. I damn sure do it, when I see the other persons Ultra Cinematic Start.
Everything but EX Palm is an option.
I’ll also start mashing kongo if I catch on to a predictable block string.
Having people afraid that you will mash gives you breathing room sometimes b/c they will hesitate or cr. down back and do nothing.
Here’s where your cr. tech cr. mk can hit confirm > lp > ??? or justy use it to jab string to safety.
Too much of anything with Gouken isn’t good, unless you can get a hadoken off. Or a successful mash attempt… for the scrub.
I once played some one who DP’d in damn near every wake up situation. I assume everyone mashes until I see different. By then they get a little comfortable trying sexy block strings and I kongo that ass. YUP, I sure do.
Anyway, ONI’s Untechable knock down game is some bull shit. So he’s definitely a secondary character now. Time to rank up my GMan!!!
Mashing is when you are just hellbent on doing a reversal where you wouldn’t normally hoping or praying there is some gap due to user error. It’s not calculated in the least.
In your example you are repeatedly doing the move because you know the Ultra is coming, you know you can beat it with counter and you are repeating the move to ensure it comes out since each Ultra has different cinematic times.
Contrast that to when I am chain jabbing, if you are mashing away you will get a reversal and mess me up if I dropped the chain for whatever reason. It’s not like you had any idea or any good reason to believe I would drop my chains.
See the difference?
In your example you can’t be baited, you are reacting to something. In my example I’m just hoping for an error on my opponents part.
I just fought a Fei Long, it was quite hard, but i ended winning with a corner combo.
j.mk > cr.HP > lp.Hado > FADC > cr.HP > Ex.Palm - Stunned - Taunt > Ultra 1
shout outs to gouken possibly being top 10 in 2012…
Shout outs to his bullshit zoning game… HaaDoooken… Haadooken…
Oh! DID You Jump and get hit by my fireball??? Take an extra 150 damage
Oh! Am i knocked down??? EX DEMON FLIP!!! Oh did you try to punish and have your normal get obsorbed throw the flips invincibility???.. I’ll Punish you!
Take 400 damage!!! full screen… Alright… time to start this bullshit again…
Haadooken!!! Haadoken… Oh!!! Did you jump again… Take another 150
I don’t approve that the frustration thread is so much higher, I frakkin love this old man like Tigh loves Adama(feel free to slap me for too much geeking in a single sentence).
AE fixed so many things already and I can’t wait for 2012s improvements, lets go Gouken, I love ya man
I remember doing a combo with it: (corner) j.mk<c.st.mp<cr.lp<jk. Tatsu. But dont cancel the Tatsu too fast or you won’t get the first hit super freeze, forgot what strength Tatsu gets all hits. Did the combo vid a while ago
I found some replays that I’m pretty sure demoralized my opponents even though they played the respective round better than me for about 90% of the duration. Here you go.