There are a number of 4.0 match ups that I don’t agree with. It would take far too much trouble to explain each reason why for each character. I’ll pick Sakura. She does not have a great way to close the gap and needs to take risks to get in. A zone and runaway Gouken could literally chip her to death. If she does get in, her normals are great but her dependence on her tatsu loop using lows to continue the pressure makes her kongo prone. She can win quickly with a few bad guesses by Gouken, though. 5-5 or better for Gouken.
I’m ok with 5-5 on Sakura, but I dont think its better for Gouken. If anything Sakura has the slight advantage. But the point is moot in terms of putting numbers on the chart.
On the heavily contested ones, maybe not blanka, but if its disagreed that its 7-3, then its 6.5-3.5. Akuma runs all over Gouken in all aspects of the game… foosties, zoning, knockdown, I would like to see the tech that Howling has gotten to see if it can change the numbers.
I dont think we have any disparity that Gouken cant do anything to stop Elf from running his game as soon as the knockdown happens. And a knockdown always happens.
I really believe Akuma is just 6-4. I thought I saw someone in that thread say 7-3 but I just don’t see it and I’ve played that match against some awesome ones and some scrubby ones. Blanka I really can’t speak on since I’ve only faced him online and we all know what a little lag does for that asshole.
BTW, Gouken v Gouken is 6-4 for Howling.
Hey that is my joke from my personal matchup list, stop stealing my EH jokes 
Really? I didn’t know you said that before, my bad. I was just thinking it the other day when I played him 
Ok i can understand and record that, but what about the other matches lol. need moar data! anyone else that can chime in?
Hahaha no way!
But seriously guys, send me good adons I think it’s not 7x3.
Infiltration says gouken is good against akuma. I’d like to hear his details on that.
He sure didn’t play like it against tokido at canadacup, and given that he mains akuma you’d think his word meant something there, who knows.
I want to say I can see cody being a 5, but I feel advantage may be slightly to him. I believe Adon is 7-3.
Do you know any adon player that shows that easily? I’d like to play some of them.
The more I play the cody match I agree it’s pretty much even. I used to think it was favored to him a little but not so much anymore, it was just my lack of experience. What does everyone think about Juri? I’ve been running into some really good ones lately. Gave me trouble at first but I’m starting to think that it’s not too bad of a match for Gouken. Pretty close to even to me.
Don’t worry about that (Besides seriously it’s in a random eventhubs topic(which when I went to look for it seems to have ceased to exist XD) where I listed my own personal matchup opinions(not the character, but more me when I play Gouken)
Juri is very good vs Gouken, as a Juri player myself I know a few tricks I never see other Juri’s use against me(personal fav dashing under fireballs). Juri’s ability to stick on a character that is uncomfortable with someone that gets so on top of you. One advantage though is that without using a normal Juri can’t punish blocked palms and her best reach is a 6f move making them a bit more acceptable when guessing on breaking focus or kasatushi(her counter). Her damage output isn’t quite so high and with her lower health Gouken does have a slght advantage in the amount of times guesses need to be made. Her fuzzy guard tricks however do work on Gouken and even can avoid the explosion of counter.
Juri has an advantage over ryu if that’s any indicator for anything. I don’t have much experience against strong juris, but I feel it’s even. She can stick on you pretty good though.
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If Ryu is 5-5, no way Dan is 5-5 also. More like 6-4. He’s kind of like playing T.Hawk with less health and no ginormous damage ultra. He has one way to get in and it’s pretty obvious. Varied fireball timing and angles rule the day. Cody, Sakura, Chun, Zangief, Hakan should all be 5-5 imho and all for the same reason I gave for Sakura in my prior post. Ken is not one whole point better than Ryu…maybe half for 4.5-5.5. Rose is fuzzy to me. I’ve played ones that topple when I sneeze and others(better players) that are nearly untouchable, but not much in between. She’s not 4-6. Her best move really is her back dash. Her wake up is pretty bad and back dash can be blown up with option selects or even just flip slide. Her blockstring that ends in her palm-like move can be interrupted with ex flip or ultra. Maybe 5-5.
Those are my reasons but I am only one Gouken.
I JUST FOUND OUT WHILE USING gouken this night that low parry actually stops blanka’s ultra 1
:eek::eek::eek:
Phase 1 (charge)- kongo low, phase 2(bounce) - kongo high, phase 3(roll) - dont kongo at all. Low kongo loses.
just a short question without intent to receive extensive write ups.
just do you think, gouken, respectively his match ups, are properly rated in srk’s community tier list? which numbers are questionable for you?
link?
I actually think the match up vs Guy and Gief are harder than they represent there. I don’t think there’s advantage over Guy at all…he can just pressure safely. He also stole our zero frame recovery off whiffed flip grab and that thing grabs you from a good distance too. Gief…I mean, it’s a lot of spacing and anticipating, but if you get knocked down you’re just crossing your fingers.
I don’t understand the disadvantage v. Elf either. Equal in my eyes. They’re putting Elf ahead of Juri in matchup difficulty and that doesn’t make any sense to me. Juri is more beastly…period.
I think everything is subjective…and relative to the player…the ones writing tiers dont play gouken like us…,.oh wait tey included amigos input…wtf who is he? Lol…whats a tier list…