Yall got trolled by MJ 
stuff like this happens in real sports too. like in basketball and football and mma. i dont think it would be that hard to figure out for the casual to understand. the boring part i could see.
How can I say this without sounding stupid? i guess that vid would be like stopping the clock in a football game.
Wowā¦
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Seriously, Iād glad I stuck with this shit heap of a thread so I could read that. I couldnāt agree more.
nah it would be the equivalent to kneeling. in basketball it would be the equivalent to running a motion offence to keep the ball in your possession while burning clock.games like guilty gear have the penalty system or a shot clock like in basketball.
First off, letās just get this out there. Gootecks is good at street fighter 4. On any given day, Gootecks is good enough to beat just about everyone who has posted hateful shit in this thread, thatās for sure. That being said, Gootecks is NOT the best player in america and has never claimed to be (That Iāve heard, granted, I donāt hang on his every word waiting for ammo to try and tear him down like some people butā¦) But he definitely is arguable top 20, with the only people I see consistently beating him being Justin Wong, Ed Ma, Combofiend, and Marn. He splits with Mike Ross, I dunno how many times heās played Mike Watson so who knows if thereās even enough matches there to make a judgementā¦ The guy is good. Heās not some scrub, stop treating him like one.
He doesnāt JUST play street fighter 4. He played Street Fighter 3: Third Strike before 4 ever came out and who knows what else he has dabbled in. Fact is, he was a SF3 top player too, so itās not like he came from no where with this self appointed title.
Anyone that has gone to SBO is basically a pro player, since people where chipping in money to help get them there, in essence sponsoring them.
The devastation hate is laughable. The only top players you hear talking shit on him are (gasp!) Mike Watson and the other YJDK players who DONāT LIKE HIM. Of course they are gonna talk shit. You never saw a post from Ed Ma or Ken I or anyone else saying Gootecks was wrong for that. And he wasnāt. There SHOULD be seeds for proven top players. John Choi came in second, but be honest, other than the fact itās John Choi and he has a good history with OTHER games, who thought he would get as far as he did? No one did. Thatās just the facts. He surprised a lot of people. He was the Dark Horse. Mike Watson hasnāt really won anything big, and didnāt even top 3 SBO qualifiers (No offense to Mike Watson, because he IS good) and if anything Mikeās more famous for beating Gootecks twice (or however many times) than placing well at anything (Face it, you donāt mention Mike Watson with Justin Wong, Marn, Ed Ma, and Combofiend). Gootecks wasnāt saying anything other than that there are tourny results THERE to base seeds off of. Obviously Justin is #1 since heās beaten everyone but Daigo and won plenty of majors. #2 to me would have been between Ed Ma, Combofiend and Marn, but really thatās not based off results because gootecks has better results than Peter. Gootecks came in what, 2nd at final round? Did we forget that? Heās consistently been the top cali placer at almost all the tourneys heās gone to as well as winning AIās ranking battle season, placing well in ALL 6 of the tourneys as well as winning 1 and getting 2nd to Ed Ma twice. Gootecks wasnāt trying to say he was better than Ed Ma and Combofiend, just that he had better tournament results and if seeds where to be based off something solid and not just player speculation, he deserved to be up there based off the work he put in. Him getting wrecked at Devastation sucks, but it happens. He beat Sabre, which most of the haters in this thread couldnāt do, and lost a close match to Mike Ross that could have gone either way. The only person to āhandleā him was Mike Watson. Stop hating. He wasnāt wrong for wanting seeds. He wasnāt whiny, he was just being vocal. People who donāt agree with someone always try to paint them as āwhinyā but if it had been someone else, they probably wouldnāt have hated so hard. Imagine Ed Ma going, āI think itās weird no one seeded the brackets, there are too many top players fighting each other in the first round needlessly.ā Nobody would have questioned him. Hateful effinā people man.
Gootecks never said tournaments where stupid. He just said he didnāt think tournaments where the only way to go, and that maybe they werenāt even the best way to go. Fact: More people watched the game stop finals to see Daigo play the top players than they did to see Justin, the champ. And that was an EXHIBITION! It over shadowed the enter rest of the tourney! Everyone watched the Daigo v Japans best EXHIBITION. It was probably more popular than Japanese Natās.
Bar Fights was popular. Sinsation Fight Club was popular. Money matches get more hype than the tournament sometimes. The proof is there and everyoneās basically saying heās just full of himself. Hateful effinā people man. Most of you have never contributed anything to the community other than going 0-2 at some tourney, and couldnāt take a round from gootecks on his worst day, and yet youāre just hating him like you probably use to hate Justin Wong. Weak.
Gootecks obviously believes in tournaments. He travels to enough of them. He commentates on them. He supports them. He just thinks another way might work better and heās putting forth the effort to give it a shot, and instead of being supportive of someone trying to expand the scene all you internet gangstaās are on the forums trying to shoot him down. Real big of you. How bout you go do something productive like he is instead of wallowing online in hate all day?
As for the KOF12 thingā¦ golly gee fan boys, no one is bashing your game man. He said it in jest. Itās hard to hear the joking tone in his voice when itās just text, but he wasnāt being serious. Fact is, heās SF4 first, everything else 2nd and heās trying to promote the game heās attached himself to. Big deal. Quit crying. Less QQ please.
Stop the unnecessary hatred. You act like this is the first confident street fighter player youāve ever seen.
Also, Catcha this wasnāt directed at you, I quoted you because you quoted two Gootecks parts I wanted to highlight on. Iām all for discussion but the blind hatred has to go.
At Devastation didnāt he say he was Top #3 seed in the USā¦and proceeded to get tossed out rather quickly?
Edit: and just before someone blows up on me, this isnāt meant to take a jab at Gootecks. Iām just playing Devilās Advocate.
True that, a lot of people taking shit way out of context unfairly, the guy isnāt obligated to come into this thread and respond to all the unecessary shit posted in threads like this and really itās slander. Im not suggesting any legal action be taken or anything at all, just that people with big mouths need to take a step back, put themselves in his shoes a bit and not jump blindly on the bandwagon because itās cool or some shit.
Edit- in response to pistol shrimpās post
Dude he qualified it by saying it was his personal opinion, also based on the resume he listed itās a fair call looking at it objectively from a results pov, problem is the gameās still new, everyoneās improving, new playerās are competing which again raises the qs about some sort of national ranking system which also raises further questions about how to do it accurately as a lot of people donāt play many tournies etc.
I know, and I champion discussion. And yeah, the guy is a good player, no denying that. The thing that really put a wedge in the crack was his dismissal of the KOF series. If he didnāt make that comment, I donāt think people would have responded as passionately as they did in this thread.
Yes we haveā¦
Agreed.
Agreed.
I know no one will care what I say, but w/e
As much as I support gootecks and am grateful for all that heās done, I also disagree with his statements regarding the future of SF.
I donāt really care about his statement re: KOFXII. It did alarm me, and I might disagree, but one has to admit, KOF wonāt be as popular as SFIV. It might sell well, or better than expected, but I donāt see it breaking any records. I wish it would,.,
regardless, itās his opinion, and I donāt think itāll effect sales.
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anyways, I agree with most people here that SF is an audience participation sport. The people who watch it play. The people who watch tourns, check match vids, watch combo vids play.
As long as people are playing, there will be eyes of the community on SF.
The only reason people in the community have any interest in watching match videos and exhibition vids are because:
- They want to learn from those players.
- They are whetting their appetite for the championship.
And even with the championship, most people follow the road to evo/sbo/big tourns because they want to know where they stand in comparison to those big players. I have followed the scene for a long time, and all my friends, family, girlfriends, whatever,ā¦, the only ones who really cared enough for the scene to follow and get hyped during a match are the ones who played.
If you donāt play the game, I have no clue how one can appreciate the game and the competition and level of play involved.
The reason we hold sports icons and champions on a pedestal is because we understand, from our own experiences in our physical bodies, how difficult and amazing their performances are. Weāve run before, so we understand how incredible it is to run a full marathon. Weāve been pushed before, so we understand how amazing it is to play football for hours and get back up after being slammed into by 400 lbs of charging body fat and muscle. Weāve jumped before, so we understand how great it is to fly like jordan.
Most people will never pull off 50% combos. Most people will never stand for hours in front of an arcade machine, waiting for their turn to topple a kid with a 50 win streak. Most people will never even play 100 games in one sitting with a friend, and stop only to play another game.
You know?
Most people wonāt care about those things unless they can appreciate it, and unless the majority of the next generation has some experience with fighting games, they wonāt care about Daigoās full parry, or JWongās crazy marvel skills.,.
This scene and this community is alone with itself, brought together by a hunger to be on top, to refining techniques, following players, not with a great awe for the hero, but a deep seated passion to fight.
There are many friends in the scene. Great friendships, but ultimately, everyone of us, whether we want to admit it or not, are only here so that we can get better and defeat the opponent in front of us.
THATāS ALL THERE IS!
If youāre a top player, and holding back in casuals because itās not a tournament, or online, spouting that the real matches are the ones that are recorded, give me my quarters and my time back, because youāre not doing me any favors by playing me. I donāt want to play you because I am your fan, I want to play you because you are my opponent.
(although, many top players iāve played are really nice and great guys)
so, I just wanted to say that while exhibitions are great, and publicizing the scene and community is both applaudable and necessary for itās growth and survival. I think we shouldnāt forget that we arenāt bringing people in so they can wear our names on their shirts, but so that they can know we can beat them in street fighter. Also, itās the best game to play with your friends. So fun.
I know, and I agree Gootecks isnāt #3rd in America, but listen to what he said. He was basing seeds purely off tourney results. And as far as tourney results go, because heās traveled more and been in more, he has stronger results than Ed Ma or Combofiend. He will straight up admit Peter and Ed are better than him. Hell, if he had been seeded 8 I donāt think heād have cared, his biggest deal was that there SHOULD be seeds and for a tournament so major to not have them is kind of unsatisfactory. Gootecks WON AI ranking battles. He placed 2nd at Final Round. He was at Sinsation (I dunno what he placed and donāt wanna look it up) and I dunno how he did at Bar Fights, but I mean, the guy is good and was right there should be some semblance of seeds.
People said this before, but when the lower half of the bracket is mostly no-namers, youāre going to get people squeaking into the top 16 who in no way deserve to be there and I donāt agree with that. Top 16 for Devastation was NEVER posted (as of my last checking) so thereās no evidence for me to use to prove my point, but Iām sure there was someone in there whoād have never beaten Gootecks should the seeds have been in place.
Like I said, gootecks most likely said the KoF12 thing in jest, and because it was taken out of context, people have used it as a reason to hop aboard the āFuck Gootecksā band wagon. Gootecks isnāt a bad dude, heās doing good for the community, and all heās getting for it is shit on and I think thatās really unfair. Still, when youāre on top, people are gonna hate. Remember when Daigo beat Justin at the Gamestop tourney in an exhibition match and people where all āFuck Justin, Iām glad you lostā? Face it, most people just like to hate instead of elevating themselves.
When i saw gootecks saying that no one cares about kof12 i could tell that he just meant that sf4 comes first because thats his favorite game and hes hyped about it. It didnt seem like a big deal. I like both sf and kof and i took no offense to it. Some of you guys are getting too uptight about this stuff.
This was a solid ass post.
Iāll agree with Gootecks up to a point, the SF community needs to grow (much larger where itās at now to achieve what he wants). Cause down south, we donāt have arcades like EC and WC have. Yall have some what of a community, with over 30 players, I can guaren-damn-tee that. Here we have Me, Shishioh, Dialupslim,Elements, Stone, Jakob, and a hand full of others who even play competitivley. But turning it into a national thing(commendable but not likely, a man can dream canāt he?) like heās trying to say, it wonāt help us. We need to have more tournaments if anything, thatās how I got sucked in. I started with Tekken, played a tournament, I lost badly, but thatās how I got hooked on Tekken.
In order for a community to grow, you have to have large base. You donāt build the 2nd floor until your 1st floor is stable you know what I mean? If anything, SF4 has given us the bases for that 1st floor. Of course things are not going to be like Korea and Japan. They have a nation-wide community for those things. They play starcraft in stadiums from what I heard. They have Tekken Crash on freaking TV stations. Itās just how America is, before I die I would love to see someone playing fighting games on TV and their being actual coverage, but to be realistic, it would not happen.
Video games get enough of a bad rap with kids shooting themselves over it and stupid people blaming things on them. Trying to go to MLG and WCG this quickly would most likely result in burnt asses and hurt feelings. From my view point, Iāve always seen tournaments as an underground thing. You canāt imagine how many looks I got when I told someone I want to spend xxx amount of cash to fly to Las Vegas to participate in a tournament for fighting games. Only the dedicated and those who are friends to the dedicated know about Raging Storm, Devastation,SBO, EVO, and all the other tournaments out there.
My friends play SF4, but they donāt know shit about JWong, Diago, Combofiend, or any other player. They are clueless unless I tell them. For SF, no fighting games in general to get to the stage that Gootecks thinks it should be at, we have to have more tournaments. They get attention, not just some exhibition matches. That wonāt do shit. I donāt want to fly to Las Vegas to watch Gootecks and Mike Ross fight. Iāll fly to Vegas to see Rampage Jackson and Wanderlei Silva fight, hell yes I would. Someone said it earlier, video games are a participation thing. I can appreciate a fight between good players, but I get the yearning to actually play them myself, and if I canāt because Iām not some big name player, then Iām going to get turned away from the community.
As far as I see it, weāre fine just where we are. If you were to take a look at the history of tournaments and attendance, youād see theyāve gotten bigger, and alot of new blood is stepping in(myself included). Iām only 17, probably not the youngest to get serious, but one of the younger guys. So take it with a grain of salt, I can respect the essence of what Gootecks is trying to achieve, but the idea and the way heās trying to push it is a bitā¦left field of where I think we should be.
he actually won 1st at sinsationsā¦
and i thought it was pretty obvious that he was making that kof comment in jest - you know with the interviewer responding āhahaā afterwards.
maybe he wasnāt aware that kof is SERIOUS BUSINESS.
I always thought something was shady about Gootecks ever since he started asking for money to buy a xbox 360 then after he bought one he realized that regional tournaments were going to be held on ps3 so he asked for ANOTHER donation.
How can he say tournaments are not the way to go anymore? They are the life blood of the FGC.
It seems like Gootecks just wants to get paid by the mainstream. Heās not going to get my money. Iād rather give my money to the Cannonās. They have done so much more for the FGC.
itās just his opinion man. Thatās the thing. He didnāt say flat out, āI think tournaments are stupid and we should instead do it my way.ā
He said he felt that tournaments might not be the best way to go for what he wants. And heās right. Right now, everyone who is gonna play SF4 is probably already playing it, and the biggest way to open it up to a new audience is to get it main stream coverage, to get it to the people who otherwise wouldnāt have played at all. I dunno, I think both are vital to the long term growth of the community, because tournaments have shown to be the best breeding ground for comp. The fact that anyone can enter and face Ed Ma, or Justin Wong is really awesome and Iād hate to lose that, but we have to break into the main stream if we want an influx of new blood so to speak.
Who says we HAVE to break into the mainstream? As long as there is passionate people that want to compete and a good game the FGC will be fine. Does anyone remember the FGC before SF4 anymore? Remember? That was just one year ago.