i played pretty much every game and most of them werent mainstream but i assume thats rare
Most people don’t care about trying other games, and it’ll still be the same with SSFIV players. Only this time it’s worse since players from other fighting games are dropping those games in favor of SSFIV because that’s where comp is.
Trying doesn’t hurt I guess, but James Chen is too optimistic IMO.
It’s amazing people overlook this fact and get pissed that a 10+ year old game and/or hard to obtain game, isn’t really pulling them away from a game that’s 2 years old and still going through updates.
I think people are pissed because that 2 year old game is pretty mediocre.
I miss the front page’s daigo poll :sad: It got so many people to contribute/talk/feedback. IIRC it was like 266 or something. So that’s what it takes to get all the 09er lurkers to come out and contribute…hmmmmmm. Daigo Kissing Booth at SB5???
The word “favorite” means you know more games, but you like 1 best. I don’t think the new SF4 crowd really “knows” other games.(Other than they exist)
If they get to know them, maybe some of them will find them more fun than SF4.
Its not that they don’t know.
Its that they don’t want to know. And I’ve seen that shit first hand at tournies. They are just as xenophobic as smashers in that case.
Really hard to believe that someone who can use the front page to help the scene grow is putting up retarded polls that don’t help the community. Even putting my rate the ssf4 netcode thread would of been a better polll to throw up there. Its certainly better than wondering what daigo’s shit stains smell like.
You guys still gassing yourselves up with cop out reasons as to why no one is playing “your” game?
A “Daigo’s shit stain smell’s like…” poll would get the site more hits than SSF4’s Netcode anyday unfortunately. Human beings in general like that next cool trend that everybody is doing and “monkey see, monkey do.”
Making your game a new trend and creating a false following for it might be the only way of getting more people to play it…
I was extremely frustrated with the new SF4 players not playing anything else until I came to realization that I was making the false assumption that most people who play SF are actually fighting game fans when they’re actually just Capcom/SF fanboys.
Assuming that most people who play SF4 now are going to get into KOF, VF, GG, etc. is like assuming that most people who started playing RPGs with Final Fantasy 7 were going to get into Grandia, Arc The Lad, etc.
Look at this from the opposite direction-
Most KOF, VF, GG etc. players started their “journey” in the genre as casual SF (or some other mainstream game) players.
I’d say about 10% of serious SF4 players are willing to try other games.
I’m actually very optimistic because MVC3 has chains, air dashes and a lot of stuff that will make the new capcom players more familiar with the new-school style of games.
Also lots of people got into the genre because of games like XvsSF in the 1st place.
that idea doesn’t work, the vampire savior community has literally given tons of free lessons to new players. Not just typing shit on srk, literally playing with them on ggpo for hours and trying to show them how to play and eventually, they simply give up. I’ve seen it for 3 years now to know better.
It doesn’t matter how much information is out there for a game, you can have tons of info and teachers available like we have for vampire savior and new players will STILL quit. @ this point, I believe its the new player attitude combined with the ease of ssf4. When a ssf4 player finally decides to pick up another game, they instantly realize they don’t have the execution or strategy needed to play properly and then quits.
I do agree, I think SF4 series sets a bad precedent for picking up later games, almost as bad as SFIII imo.
Gootecks did a PDF file serving as an intro into the SF4 system for 3s heads, suggesting different characters that had similar playstyles to the 3rd Strike cast etc. Was very helpful, and a great idea.
what OTHER games could you possibly transition into if you play ssf4? it would be incredibly tough to go back and play ST. 1f reversals, speed is faster, no ultra, no ground tech, soften throws versus throw breaks. a ssf4 player could barely transition into 3s which seems to be the next closest game to ssf4. If a ssf4 player were to learn how to play mvc2, they’d be baffled for @ least 2 years while most good mvc2 players could pick up ssf4 and be tournament worthy pretty fast a matter of months if in a good scene.
Now if you play mvc2 on the other hand as your main game, you can transition into quite a few other series. You can learn vampire savior which just had a 120+ man tournament in japan, gg\bb, MB, AH3 and other games don’t seem so tough because if you can play the tough games, everything else gets easy by comparison.
It has more to do with what games you actually play. If you play games that encompass the whole realm of fighting game mechanics, you’re not so surprised when you transition into another game. Vampire savior is VERY much like mvc2\gg\bb and I could teach a good mvc2\gg\bb to play vampire savior pretty fast. A bunch of us were actually teaching kid viper who was on the SBO team for BB to play vampire savior and he was learning pretty fast. BB\VS share similar concepts so its not so much of a stretch, its just rearranged differently and missing a few pieces. Now if you were to tell me go teach a ssf4 player how to play vampire savior, I would have to explain offensive\defensive concepts as it applies to fast games, they would need the reaction time to block high\low back to back which doesn’t really happen in SF, why you should or shouldn’t pushblock sometimes, advanced pressure string tactics, chicken guard, chicken guard airdash and chicken guard strategies actics, dashing as it applies to fast games. There is a huge difference in strategy between dashing in ssf4 and dashing in vampire savior\other games. I didn’t have to teach kid viper any of these things, out the gate he was ready because the game he played had already taught him about them. ssf4 won’t teach you those concepts or how those concepts apply to a faster game.
I’m not sure why people act like its a surprise people can transition from 4 to 3; Ono has already stated he thinks of SF4 as a stepping stone for the SF3 series. But really that’s not even relevant; if you look at the two games they share a lot of similarities and sadly, some of the same problems.
We’re talking about other games here.
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or you just didn’t read correctly
Probably misunderstood your post. I guess you were just saying that was something that could be done for anygame and used that as an example?
Yeah, sorry for not being clearer :tup: