Getting Lauren To Bed: C. Viper USF4 Video Thread

I’m pretty stoked! MY FIRST DOUBLE PERFECT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZmKWG-8nQ

I just watched your previous video (against Decapre). You managed to get a win but you took pretty bad habits that will hurt you more than you would think against better players.

  1. cr. MK + MP. Tk is not a block string, and you rely a little bit too much on the loop (cr. MK, MP. Tk, cr.Mp, MP. tk). You took a DP pretty quickly but you never really adapted. It’s okay for one ranked match but if you give your opponent more time to figure you out, it gets really predictable. Faint and bait more ! You ate some much random DP there.

  2. Choose something else than cr. MK, MP. Tk, cr.Mp, MP. tk. Mix things up. Feint the last TK and go for a cross-up BK, or an overhead, or a grab. Some Viper like to chain with st. MP + cr. HP to find a counter hit of some kind. Figure out other options you feel comfortable with. Again, playing ranked isn’t really a good way to work on that because you don’t have time to get to know your opponent. If you start to go for FT10 against decent players, being predictable = quick death.

  3. Why backing down at 1:13 (Decapre video) ? It would make sense if you had a significant life lead, but you didn’t. A hard knockdown is what Viper is looking for. He should be afraid of you, not the other way around. :slight_smile:

  4. No BK Full Screen.

  5. Very very very bad habit: Stop going for BK after a blocked seismo. That’s extremely unsafe. Or stop your jump with low BK to limit the damage. But you should feint another seismo to stay safe.

  6. Why reset at 1:53 ? Especially such an obvious one. You could take the damage and send Decapre to the corner.

  7. 2:00. Well blocked, but if I’m not mistaken this move is -9 on block. That’s big. Learn what and how to punish.

  8. Be very careful with Seismo on wake-up. With that much life left, most characters can kill you with a reversal Ultra. (Ryu can do it from Full Screen).

You should start going for FT5 or 10 with good players. You’ll see really quickly where your mistakes are and what need to be improved. You will learn a lot. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the feedback

Won a local recently here`s some footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0YYWWMoeTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3UpEMsP6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUiTkmykw9o

I can’t believe I am about to paste an instagram (read: cancer) link, but since it is from Latif I will.

https://instagram.com/p/2ocSiFsiE7/

Latif @

1:31:20
3:12:35
4:11:20
4:22:35
4:38:20
5:25:25
5:48:40

He doesn’t even play this game! Hopefully this gets uploaded to YouTube. Who knows how long the previous broadcasts are kept.

These matches made me kind of bitter. I just love Latif and I must have spent days watching his streams and matches. However I don’t think he has evolved as much as the other players during the Ultra era and I don’t see him winning anything big this year. He gets really predictable on his setups and his ex-seismos mid-screen. I’ll still be rooting for him during EVO though…

These are dark times for Vipers anyway. Maybe people tend to know the matchup way better now. Wolfkrone doesn’t play as much as before and rely on his Poison a lot. Jayce and Kyabetsu are really having a hard time. Uryo can’t really be considered a Viper player anymore. Tonpy seems to be doing not too bad, but I feel pretty pessimistic about this character…

Floor, you know much better about it than me. Do you honestly think that Viper is still tournament winning material ?

Latif doesn’t really play anymore. He goes to EVO and random tournaments in the Middle East. He got 5th at that tournament in Dubai in the singles tournament though. Latif also took Dieminion to the final game and final round in a FT5, and he doesn’t even play this game.

You’re right. It is pretty much Tonpy at this point. The other Viper players don’t really play her that much (eg Jayce playing Decapre).

Short answer: Yes, you just have to be gdlk.

Long answer: With standard 2/3 matches Viper can do well. She is still a character that you have to deal with. You have to deal with BK, you have to deal with TK, you have to deal with seismo. However, in longer sets it becomes easier to adapt to Viper’s stuff. Eventually it will come down to footsies / neutral game. Viper’s normals are not that good, but she does have seismo, it’s just hard to use and matchup dependent.

I would suggest picking up a secondary character to cover some of Viper’s unfavorable matchups.

It will for sure. And that’s the problem with Ultra. The DWU is a momentum killer and forces the ground game… I think Latif would have been able to do something if he kept training: He’s better than Viper, adapts crazy fast, knows his match-ups really well (He pwns Blankas like no one else) and forces his luck by OSing everything. I would have loved to see him at his best for this last EVO before SF5. He still stands a chance if he gets easy opponents or favorable match-ups though. We all know that’s what EVO is about anyway. :slight_smile:

Yeah I have a pocket Chun to deal with Honda, Bison, Zangief… However I started SSF4 and, as a matter of fact, fighting games with Viper so I lack some footsies. Training training… :slight_smile:

Who’s your counterpick ? Fei ?

That is the problem with starting with not-street fighter characters (like Viper and Elf) or with characters that create bad habits, such as not blocking (Bison / Rolento, SF4…) But once you do get a grasp of the neutral game and start whiff punishing and controlling space (even with Viper), it can transition over to other characters and other games.

Yeah, Fei is one of them. Although, I will generally play out the unfavorable matchup with Viper unless it is against Juri and maybe Guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiunXEXT7Qc

Such a shame that latif is out of the picture except for evo. His viper is clearly in a league of its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFLnloESv8