I live two blocks from In-N-Out and I still go into micro-rages when my boss in NY sends me “obligatory I’m at Shake Shack and you’re not” messages. Shit’s that good.
Take a good look all you plastic bag, soggy bun, no taste burger eating motherfuckers! This is a real burger.
Born of the unholy marriage between 50%pork shoulder and 50% ground beef! they didn’t just stop there though…This bad boy has 2 fat ass strips of real bacon, and what’s that white stuff on there? Motherfucking pimento cheese, google it you uncultured swine. Top it off with some pickled onions and a toasted bun and you have a burger worthy of your hard earned 10 dollars.
You seem willing to throw around the misogyny card a lot and you do it in the most inappropriate times. It is because people are upset at a woman and are holding her accountable for her actions. Almost everyone talking about this issue has explicitly condemned all the parties involved, yet the fact that people call her a whore and specifically point out her behaviour seems to bother you. How come women are so sacred to you, why is it such a taboo thing to hold a woman in contempt for something shitty she did. If you believe in equality and treating women on equal footing with men that means calling out their shit too. We have a serious problem of women getting lighter sentencing for the same crimes as men and part of the reason is because of people like you who seem to think women shouldn’t be held to the same standards.
The mundanematt video I posted even specifically mentioned that we shouldn’t all be fighting over such petty BS, however it seems like any time a woman does something terrible we aren’t allow to say she’s a terrible person. It’s amazing how we live in a culture in which michelle Obama can unapologetically say that woman are smarter then men, or where popular feminist publications like Jezebel can openly laugh at domestic abuse against men with little to no consequences…yet calling a woman who slept with 5 men behind her boyfriends back in order to improve her a career a whore is going too far and makes me sexist and misogynistic. You seem to have a very warped idea that women are somehow beyond criticism and condemnation but your wrong. Men and women can equally be shitty and terrible so if you honestly think that women should be excused from the consequences of their actions…it seems the only one here who is sexist is quite obviously you.
Since you still don’t know how to read I’ll spell this out for you real slowly (again)
I already stated that what Zoe did was morally wrong. Somehow this simple fact escapes you. I am simply stating that nothing bad happened here, video games reviews are not important and sad crusaders such as yourself are trying to blow this thing up are grasping at straws, but if you did want to find fault, the men are the ones who fucked up. When a boss sleeps with a subordinate, the boss is the one who is in trouble, not the subordinate. Doesn’t matter if its a man or a woman. Now as for the reviewers. When someone accepts sexual favors in return for a favor, depending on the context, both parties or one party is at fault. If a judge accepts sexual favors, then the judge is in trouble, but the person who propositioned the judge is also at fault because that is trying to undermine the legal system. In this case, it has to do with getting good reviews. Reviewers are free to sleep with whoever they want to, they just need to disclose any conflicts of interest. So the only “wrong” thing that happened here is the dudes did not disclose. Keep re-reading this until you actually understand.
How are the men being criticized? Just look at this thread. I don’t see anyone shitting on the dudes except for a handful who called them out on sleeping with an ugly woman. All the twitter images people are posting are those criticizing zoe, not criticizing the dudes. That’s in this thread alone.
Of course women should be criticized if they did something wrong. Like I said, in a previous thread, I applauded an old dude for killing a woman who broke into his home. That man deserves a medal. I look at every case individually before forming an opinion instead of saying: RAWR WOMAN EVIL!!!111 ROZL!!111 In this specific case, you are attaching far too much importance to an insignificant series of events in order to further your sad little crusader agenda. As I said multiple times, what she did is NOT illegal, so how is my pointing that out making it possible for female criminals to get off with light sentencing? Your rabid fanaticism is blinding you to the facts.
Final point: I highly doubt she slept with them in return for good reviews. She’s not good looking enough to pull that off. She slept with them because she wanted the cock. That’s it. And the dudes were weak and said yes. Again, nothing bad transpired here. That’s between them. Making it public was just the ex boyfriends sad attempt at getting revenge, but all its doing is dragging out a breakup from a shitty relationship. If he had wanted revenge, he should have slept with multiple women and cut her out of his life completely.
This is the idiot who seriously thinks superman could beat goku. I remember him getting shitted on in the DBZ thread because he was incapable of reading people’s solid arguments which completely dismantled his, while he just continued repeating his discredited talking points. Much like he is doing here. And then he defended Elliot Rodger. Dude needs a ban, and then we can be famous when he goes on a shooting spree. I just hope if/when he does, he gets stopped with extreme efficiency.
Ah man, the irony of the “I just found out I got cheated on” “Oh no, that’s horrible!” exchange in Depression Quest.
Anyway, I think this has all been a huge success for Zoe Quinn. Sure, she’s being completely discredited and will never be taken seriously again but anyone in the know, but her Patreon account is getting flooded with enough money that she’s not gonna have to worry about it anyway. Also, she has successfully silenced almost every gaming website and now the majority of them honestly think she’s a victim.
We really do need to hold the writer and her boss to the fire. Giving her anymore attention is just helping get her money.
Why did the boss hire her? We can clearly see by the game that she put out how much talent she has, so what compelled him to hire her? Was it because of sexual favors?
Why did the writer provide coverage for Quinn? Even if he didn’t provide a true “review” of her game, he was still reporting on a person that he was in a close personal relationship with. This is the time when you would talk to your boss and say “Hey man, can I switch assignments with someone? I feel like I’m too close to this story.” Assuming Kotaku/RockPaperShotgun is even that organized, it always seems like people just report on whatever the hell they want to on those sites when it’s not E3/TGS/etc time.
1:) You just said nothing bad happened here…I repeat you just said nothing bad happened here. A woman cheating on her BF with 5 different men (one of which is married) in order to undeservedly get critical recognition is in fact a bad thing. It doesn’t matter how much you attempt to trivialize it and sweep it under the rug, what she did was a terrible thing to do from a ethical and professional perspective. Granted what the men did was terrible as well and no one has denied their shitty behaviour. The problem here is that you once again want to only put accountability on the men, and given how you consider this a crusade and even state that reviews aren’t important as if to say she didn’t really do anything wrong…you have the same problems spirit juice does in that your issue has more to do with the fact that a woman is being criticized. On that note I don’t exactly see how I’m grasping at straws when most of the evidence is screen capped…not to mention she unintentionally admitted it with all the deleted post and censorship. I’m also not trying to blow anything up given they I’ve already stated that gaming journalism has been worthless for quite awhile…it seems you still failed to read a thing anyone is actually saying about the topic lol.
2:) Did you miss the part where the videos, people on this thread and me, have repeatedly said that the reason she’s getting so much hate is because of her past antics. She was apart of the "everything in gaming is sexist"crowd and faked a harassment claim a few years back…she even got support from Anita. When you take a little thing called"context"and realize that her past actions carry the weight of consequences to them…you’ll see that her previous behaviour is directly responsible for the backlash. If you bothered to read any recent post of mine, you would know I stated this multiple times. If she had been some random woman who got caught doing this I doubt people would care as much and probably overlook her fuck up…however given that she’s apart of a obnoxious, fanatical community that is ruining gaming in a lot of ways, this is the reason people are so upset with her. As I said before it’s very important you do research on a topic before dicussing it.
3:) You brought up the legality point in spite of no one ever saying she broke the law so obviously you were just looking for a way to derail the conversation with points no one was making. I also have to ask who is saying women are evil…we are condemning a single woman for the shitty things that she’s done. You just seem rather defensive by the fact that we are criticizing a woman given that you want me to ignore the series of events (A.K.A what she did) that has lead us to this point. I guess you could be right though…why spend time on unimportant details like what she’s done and all that irrelevant stuff. It’s obvious that condemning a woman for shitty behaviour is equatable to overlooking facts and going on a hateful crusades going by your logic so who am I to argue against it. It’s clearly fanaticism to say"hey this woman did something shitty."
4:) blah blah justification blah blah she’s innocent blah blah leave this poor women alone blah blah it’s the men’s faults…I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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I don’t know this sennin guy but I am laughing at the superman vs goku debate part…namely because I can imagine the arguments in favour of goku are in the same vein as the arguments your making here so it would make for a hilarious engagement.
Eeeeh… habit is good, for sure. But better than 5 guys? I dunno. They’re about equal.
(I have a habit, 5 guys, and in and out within 5 minutes of my house, I’ve tried them all. I also am one of the few from so cal who doesnt love In and Out)
In-N-Out is pretty good, but not better than Shake Shack. Just isn’t even close. And when I lived in California the last thing I wanted were burgers. I always got tacos or burritos. Those gift from the gods are always looked over for In-N-Out it’s ridiculous.
Note: In San Francisco I lived down the block from a Taco Bell. That Taco Bell accepted food stamps. I tried my damnedest to qualify for those things, too. That lunch box EVERY. DAY.
In-N-Out, while good the first time I tried it(even had it in animal style), it’s nothing to die for. When I was out there in SoCal, there was just so many other options to choose from(all types of food, not just burgers) that I felt like I wasted money ordering some fast food lol.
Maybe your 5 guys is better than the one near me, but fuck if those “Cajun Fries” shit they tout are worth a damn. Rolling fries into a fuckton of cayenne pepper and nothing else does not equal Cajun. :mad:
You can discuss Ebola and Ferguson at Kotaku, RPS, Reddit, Destructoid, GameSpot, Gamefaqs, Giant Bomb and probably any other gaming website out there.
How many places are out there where you can discuss this issue without being censored?