Finally, someone who gets it.
ugh… I never said “fuck you, I didn’t ask YOU”, I basically said “excuse me, I didn’t ask THAT.”
How so many people missed the point of the post and then are surprised that I don’t wanna hear your trashing on mvc3 is beyond me. “Lol, OP doesn’t wanna hear that mvc3 is shit, too bad because it’s a fact!” The only thing more stupid than comments like that are comments that agree with them…
I’ve said this more than once already but I didn’t ask your opinion of mvc3, I just asked if there were games similar to its style in combos and movement etc… If you don’t like the game or don’t play it, it would’ve been safe to assume that I wasn’t asking you (not you, anyone in this thread who fits the description). I asked about arcana, but the thread title was about games similar to mvc3. Why would so many people who hate the game read the title, then decide not only to click it, but to then go on to talk shit about it? And for the fifth time, I’m aware of TVC, I was asking specifically about games on the 360. I made that fairly clear in the op. Stuff that has a,b,c style chains and fast, flashy gameplay. If mvc3 is the only thing that even remotely feels like mvc3 on Xbox, then that’s all that needed to be said.
MissionShabernack, Ive been playing 3rd strike for a few years now and completely agree with what you said. The game revolves around far reaching heavy normals and low into super. There are exceptions but this seems to be the norm for sure. I guess since the OGs don’t play online or take the fight out of the basement anymore, they’re unaware. Just look at the last line of the post I quoted. The dude admits he doesn’t know much about the game, while blindly agreeing with another poster about it being great and simultaneously telling you that you should keep your opinions to yourself regarding the subject if you dont know what you’re talking about. It almost made my fucking head explode.
It’s funny, I made a thread asking about persona and blazblue, etc… And got a lot of helpful friendly replies… It seems to me the most passionately vocal haters and trolls are the og capcom heads who never evolved beyond 3rd strike and mvc2. It’s not the community at large or the majority like they’ll tell you, it’s not the guys who play Injustice or p4a or the ark system fighters, it’s just these guys stuck in the past, specifically, Capcoms past, that refuse to adapt and just complain until your head hurts. It’s been that way at least since I joined these boards, probably '09 or so (even tho I came up with SF2 vanilla, then MK, KI, and Tekken in the arcades every. single. day). Before 3S:OE was announced that’s all you’d ever hear was how much better it was than SF4. Every single thread devolved like this one has. Then OE gets announced, released, underperforms, nobody plays it, and all that shit talk has since been cut by like 80%.
Like what you like but you don’t have to attack others who prefer different things or attack the games design without citing any examples to do it. Even if you did have hard evidence of mvc3 or sf4 not being designed well, it wouldn’t at all change the fact that, to me, these games are the most fun fighters on the market at the moment. Oh, and the majority of people could give two shits about these pro guys. They don’t play for the same reasons as most of us and just because most of the community wants to be follow the leader with characters, techniques, and apparently even opinions (lol) doesn’t mean me or the other hundred thousand players want to be that way.
MikeZ’s vision for SkullGirls was/is to make a game based around what MVC2 was when you played the top tiers. Take that in mind if you get to try the game.
Basically this. You’re underestimating what goes into these games and glorifying the simplicities of sf4. There’s enough information out there on these games that you can figure it out for yourself.
I’m still laughing at the sf3 is a c.mids fest… seems you watch too many Chun and bad Ken play. They’re the only ones that are like that.
They’re also top tier and the majority of who people choose…
Edit- I’m not sayin I haven’t seen great Yuns or great Dudley’s, but it’s like 1 out of every 300 matches. I’m going by Xbox live btw. But yeah, where are the detailed guides on 3rd strike? I would love to take my game to that next level.
Do you live in 2k5? Because more people use the other characters now. Lots of Makoto and Urien these days. More Oro too. Shit, more everyone except those two.
Try the 3S thread? Or the SRK 3S wiki?
I thought you said you didn’t really play the game online… And no, I don’t live in 2005 or have any reason to make shit up. I’m just talking about what I see on xbl whenever I get a couple matches in every other couple days. If you’re on PSN and it’s not like that there then I apologize, but i have seen maybe 5 Oro players since the game released (and that was around when it first dropped) It’s a total ken/chun fest. 7/10 matches will have one of those two. Maybe Urien fills out the rest with some random akuma once in a while.
then you are not watching enough or the right people. Watch the shends channel on YouTube for what 3rd is actually like. Especially don’t judge it by online play which is generally bad and I’m guessing that’s where you’ve experienced it primarily.
Is this an ST and 3rd thread now too?
Fwiw I think you misunderstood the point of those posts ‘bashing’ marvel. Most people like it but also recognize that it gets pretty silly at times. That’s what is being communicated. It was only brought up because what you like about Marvel informs the answer people give you. Depending on what specifically you’re asking the answers differ. So people filled in the blanks that you left when answering your question.
I just noticed that rorschachDM has only been here for 3 days, doesn’t know or play much sf2,3,or4, yet injects opinions like they’re facts and even gives advice to other noobs in other threads. No offense dude, but maybe slow down a little and think about the things you say.
I don’t know man, some people were just kinda dicks without good reason. Again i didnt ask for opinions on mvc3 or what game plays like it on the wii. Im aware of tvc and specified 360. But I appreciate your post and the tone of it more so. I’m sure 3rd strike can play different in Japan or tourneys, but even then a lot of times it does come back to those tactics. It’s the basic premise of tiers - less work and risk for most reward. I’d be surprised if nowadays the general population and majority of 3rd strike players aren’t the guys playing it online. I think a lot of times people forget about the thousands of people who play these games that aren’t pro and dont do streams/tourneys. I kind of agree and kind of disagree with you but I get what your saying and respect your thoughts.
Anyways, this thread has run its course so it can be closed whenever. I picked up P4A which is amazing and criminally underrated and I’m gonna grab mvc2 next week. No help to this thread, but the decisions were made regardless.
Edit- one last edit for all the people saying even pros say this game is trash or whatever… I just saw a post Evo2k13 interview gootecks did with JWong for GameSpot where Justin talks about how great of a game Umarvel3 is regardless of what some people say, and that he’s gonna keep playing it and thinks other people should be playing it too. He’s the most consistent and probably most respected fighting game pro so to the people using pro quotes to talk shit on umvc, (I haven’t actuall seen any) I’ll take JWongs word over whoever you pull out of your hat. Funny that when vanilla first dropped he hated on it sounding just like half the people here comparing it to mvc2, but after actually playing the game and spending time with it, totally changed his mind. There’s a little food for thought for you guys who refuse to evolve and adapt and just wanna
Complain and live in the past.
You’re going by online encounters? Well, I see no reason to continue this. You’ve done a good enough job making yourself look like a fool.
Also… wow Justin Wong stated his opinion. I’m convinced…
The majority of people playing are online. It’d be retarded to go by anything other than that. Tournament players or guys like you who still play on dream cast are not the majority. Edit - even tho you said you don’t play online and try to use the “online doesnt mean shit” lame ass arguement to discredit me, I just read a comment of yours from another thread talking about how you do. Hypocritical, or just trying way to hard to be elite? Anyway, It’s pretty simple to understand. I didn’t say the majority of tournament players use chun or ken, I just said the majority, period. Though even if I did say the majority of tournament competitors use 1 of the 2, that would STILL be a true statement.
The Justin Wong statement is a rebuttal to the people who said even pros talk shit. I already expressed that I could give two shits about what pros think or do, but Wong is the most notable guy in the fgc and so far, the only actual quote that’s not just hearsay. I made sure to note the details of the interview for those that want to look it up for themselves, unlike the others who say pro players think It sucks without names or sources.
It’s like you don’t have any reading comprehension skills at all. It’s like you see the words but miss the point. Why force a pissing match? Your arguments are devoid of logic. Joe Schmoe who plays online is every bit as much a third strike player as Daigo or Wong themselves. To say I have already made myself look like a fool (because I like marvel3?) and that referencing what I deal with whenever I play third strike: ONLINE EDITION somehow cements that theory really shows what an elitist shit you must be. Now I’m gonna go actually play the game against other people instead of just discussin it on a message board and being pointlessly ignorant to people who’s opinions may differ from mine.
damn we still play on the dreamcast ? did not know the 3s community like that
Reading. Comprehension.
Pretty sure I said NOT the majority.
I’m new to the forums and FGs but I’m not stupid. What advice are you referring to? The one on links or the one on CPUs? Feel free to enlighten me on how either of those minor recommendations were wrong, or to point out other advice that I’ve given people that is outside of the scope of my knowledge.
Please. Tell me how my opinions were conveyed as fact? I simply pointed out flaws and fallacy in your argument, and used general facts. I blatantly said that I knew close to nothing about SF2/3 so I didn’t comment on those. I don’t have to have played FGs for years or been on the forums for eleven months to point out a bad argument.
I’ve been here a lot longer than 11 months btw, but I’ll bite. The first thing you contributed to this thread was incorrectly telling me that i got mad at people answering because it wasnt what i wanted to hear. Wrong. I didn’t freak out or put forth any kind of “fuck you” vibe like you said I did. As i already said, i was irritated because the replies were way off topic and not what i asked at all. The trolls came out of their hate anything new caves and you immediately side with them? You missed the point of this thread. I already explained to you how.
You were saying how whatshisname will write a "scathing letter of war " on why st and 3s are better than whatever or more involved or whatever you said. But you admittedly don’t know shit about those games so why choose sides? You don’t know for yourself, yet you made it seem like you were in the know. I play 3s every other day probably and don’t need to be told how the game works by your assumptions of it.
And yeah, I was talking about you giving advice to a noob about playing against the computer when you acknowledge that you barely know how to play, therefore, you’re either just regurgitating shit you heard others say or just flat out guessing. Even if you were dead right, you probably shouldn’t be giving advice to noobs when you admit that you are an absolute beginner yourself.
I could claim that I’ve been here for three years. Little truth behind it. (simply repeating your arguments straight back to you)
I was inferring that SirMixahLot would write a “scathing and well-informed letter” (come on, if you’re going to argue at least quote right) based on his post in response to you trivializing two old school games. I never said they were better or less trivial or anything. I never claimed anything EXCEPT that I know close to nothing about those two games. I DO know that any general claim about a game like you made is typically wrong. Games past the NES era are never that simple or straightforward. Especially not fighters or other games that were taken seriously for years. I never claimed or intended to make it seem like I was “in the know” (see? Correct quote. Magical.)
I was making an assumption that YOUR assumptions were wrong. I, again, said nothing directly pertaining to the game itself.
I was simply passing on the knowledge that I have learned in my short time here from various people and various different sources in the FG community. I even stated directly in my advice that it was according to what I have read. I didn’t claim to be Daigo. I was simply passing on what I’ve read. I also know that in VERY few games does the CPU actually help for shit in honing your skills. Play against another human opponent is always your best bet if you want to do anything competitively against another person. So, again, this is something that I don’t have to be absorbed and steeped in the FG community for long years to know. I can infer based on past experiences with other gaming scenes that I have been involved in.
Personally, I like advice given by peers. It’s why the peer review system in various sciences, universities and schools exist. You are more likely to take something into consideration if a peer gives his opinion, rather than old timers. I didn’t know that giving advice was against any forum rules. I assumed that any advice, even bad advice, is typically helpful. I also figured, being new and all, that if I was wrong someone more informed would come along and correct me. This has not happened yet. I also assume that people are capable of taking advice and weighing it on their own, as that is typically what I do.
I also just noticed this.
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Contradicting yourself much?
To end I’ll go ahead and quote SirMixahLot.
Ugh… Terrible.
Why assume he would write a scathing and well informed letter? Why assume he knows more than me or the other dude? Youre just stirring shit. You picked sides when you don’t know enough to make an educated decision. Go buy 3rd strike right now and then come back with a different perspective after you’ve sunk some time. I bet you’ll agree with me and the other dude. The original point being made was that jabs are basically useless. They are. Tell me why they’re not, or why you would assume that and agree with mixahlot, please?
I’m claiming to have been here for before 11 months because it’s true. My other (main) email is still registered, I just forgot the password. Tell me who to email about it and I’ll retrieve it to show you. I just didnt give a shit when I lost it to go through the trouble of recovering it.
Regarding my being hypocritical because what I wrote about Wong - again I already went over that I don’t give a shit in my second paragraph, 4 or 5 posts up. Edit- ill paste it here too just for the hell of it-
The Justin Wong statement is a rebuttal to the people who said even pros talk shit. I already expressed that I could give two shits about what pros think or do, but Wong is the most notable guy in the fgc and so far, the only actual quote that’s not just hearsay. I made sure to note the details of the interview for those that want to look it up for themselves, unlike the others who say pro players think It sucks without names or sources.- did you miss that the first time? I didn’t look that up either, I was watching evo footage when the interview came up on YouTube randomly. I didn’t search it out for this topic, but it helps my point and I was lucky to see it so I made note of it. Not hypocritical at all, I never contradicted myself.
You were again Making assumptions that OGs play on arcade cabinets in their homes and not online. Total guess on your part. You have no facts to back that up. Again, you repeated what you heard, not to mention its bull. Because mixahlot said 3s players are at home on arcade cabinets you think it’s true? I’ve never met anyone with a 3s cab. Maybe there are a few, but that isnt where the majority of OGs are playing. Hes wrong. Think about it and it’s obvious. He may have even been trolling.
Quoting an insulting post by mixahlot as your final statement? Real classy btw. I still don’t get what I did to look foolish… Because I like mvc3? Because I have opinions about a game I play all the time that he disagreed with even tho he said he doesn’t play online (3s)?
If you don’t see how offering advice on a subject youre unfamiliar with can do more harm than good, I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve been playing fighters for 20 years, but I don’t play blazblue, so I wouldn’t give someone advice on the game. It’s simple. Your statement about being able to tell a bad arguement is bullshit. You dont play the game thats being discussed. You dont know if jabs are useless, and they pretty much are. You say they are because mixahlots said they are. The only thing playing the computer is good for is trying to learn to hit an opponent who moves. It doesn’t do optimal combos, it barely blocks, it does block impossible to block mix ups ( you know what those are, right?), in the case of mvc3, it can call assists while being hit… And on and on. Training and then player matches are the best option. If an experienced player disagreed, he could make a compelling argument on why. You can not. And an experienced player would never advocate playing the CPU in the first place. It’s not like the guy was asking how to do a dp and you recently overcame the problem, and were giving him insight on how, you were just talking out of your ass. You have little to no experience on the subject yet you’re telling someone else what they should do. I hope that personality flaw doesn’t translate into your real life.
Again, the first thing you did in this thread was insult me when what you said I did, I did nothing even close to. This is the third time I’m elaborating on this to you. That makes YOU ignorant, not me. I never said fuck you or exhibited an attitude that would make someone assume that. Ive been rather polite trying to explain my point of view and only insulted one person once, by calling mixahlot an elitist shit only after I’d gathered enough evidence to be sure it was true, and only in my recent post did I stoop to that level. You came from left field on that, trying to agree with some other elitist who misunderstood the point of this post. Just go back and read the original post by itself and it’s clear how I asked a simple question asking for help and was bombarded by elitist trolls. You’re new here, that happens from time to time and it’s unfortunate. Why you’d side with them while having no real knowledge of the subject is asinine.
Get mixahlots dick out of your mouth and play these games you comment on if you’re gonna be on this board. At least go to a different part than the noob dojo to learn a bit (you won’t learn shit by not playing, you’re just a parrot) about the games before you give advice, or tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about regarding these games. I’ve caught mixahlot in several contradicting or just bs statements throughout this thread. He might even be a troll… No matter what, he plays tekken so he obviously doesnt have as superior taste as he thinks he does.This is the guy whos side you are blindly taking and quoting? Cool man. Stay free.
And no, contrary to what you wrote, bad advice is not helpful. And I get that you’re new but you might be interested to know that mods have asked guys who have done what you’re doing to stop before. Theyll probably ask you to stop too once they notice, if you keep it up. Until then, all your uneducated advice is doing is hurting other noobs, people I tell to come here when I see they are new to a game after playing them on xbl. Since that capcom sale two weeks ago I’ve probably referred 20 noobs… “if you wanna up your game, check out the forums at www…shoryuken.com” .What youre doing completely undermines that. I really hope you didnt get here on my referral.
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- obvious troll is obvious
- stop feeding the troll
- when i first started reading this thread, i had a feeling we were gunna get an essay somewhere
- mods plz close this