#GamerGate: Keepin' Journos Honest

[SadQuotes]

Imma need @SadQuotes to stop internalizing her misogyny before I accuse her of being a sock puppet

@sockquotes

@angelpalm Not long until I complain about the horrors and the threadism of Straight White Socks.

[Muff_Daddy]

Destiny is a hit, who cares if it’s profitable? [Polygon] (Check the author)

Let’s get this out of the way now: Destiny is a hit game. It sold impressive numbers, it’s keeping players engaged, and it continues to be a topic of conversation in the major gaming media. Activision has successfully launched a new franchise, and will continue to support it in the coming years.

The big question is whether Activision lost money to get to that point, and I’ll give you my professional opinion to that question: They might have, but even if they did? They don’t give a shit.

Polygon posts editorial about Destiny profitability without fact checking [Corrected] (NeoGAF)

Destiny is a hit, who cares if it’s profitable? (Correction)

Correction: According to the earnings call from last November, the game was profitable on day one. Here’s the relevant quote:

And despite the large investment, which Dennis will talk about -- or maybe because of that large investment, we were able to be profitable from day one, and we think it's only a matter of time now before it becomes our next billion-dollar franchise.

The main thrust of this op-ed was to point out that Destiny was a very large success for all the parties involved, and short-term profitability wasn’t a pressing concern. In making that point, we failed to check to make sure if our central thesis had already been answered, and for that we apologize. The story continues, unedited from its original state, below.

[Muff_Daddy]

“In making that point, we failed to check to make sure if our central thesis had already been answered, and for that we apologize.” This sentence is LOL. That’s… not what happened at all.

[0sh]

Kuchera writes an article on an idea he just had without acting like a real journalist, fancy that. More interesting to me is this bit:

Let’s get this out of the way now: Destiny is a hit game. It sold impressive numbers, it’s keeping players engaged, and it continues to be a topic of conversation in the major gaming media [read: people like the author]. Activision has successfully launched a new franchise, and will continue to support it in the coming years.

So basically, reading the whole article, “we the media have and deserve the right to determine what is a hit, not the consumers”.

[Ash_Crimson]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

http://i.imgur.com/ximVGaX.png

[Pertho]

That doesnt surprise me since molyneux has a history of not delivering on promises. Still sad to see him run his mouth and make his team look bad for being unable to fulfill them.

[crucades]

Shit at least Peter Molyneux eventually came out and said straight up he was sorry. With a crew of 24 people its a bit hard for him to make an excuse not to talk to the kid earlier. That said Molyneux who was once ironically a god in the video game industry has been reduced to making android games and creating hype of the back of his own name, thats the real sad story.

[Missing_Person]

I know that’s tongue-in-cheek, but there’s a huge difference between reporting the same story, which is pretty big and needs to be discussed, and trying to divert attention away from an issue by creating a narrative that attacks your fanbase because one of your ranks got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar with conflict of interest.

[angelpalm]

I know that’s tongue-in-cheek, but there’s a huge difference between reporting the same story, which is pretty big and needs to be discussed, and trying to divert attention away from an issue by creating a narrative that attacks your fanbase because one of your ranks got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar with conflict of interest.

Please stop, please I am begging you. Just flag and move on.

[Ash_Crimson]

I know that’s tongue-in-cheek, but there’s a huge difference between reporting the same story, which is pretty big and needs to be discussed, and trying to divert attention away from an issue by creating a narrative that attacks your fanbase because one of your ranks got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar with conflict of interest.

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

[TheRock-BoS]

So basically, reading the whole article, “we the media have and deserve the right to determine what is a hit, not the consumers”.

They tried that a little while back with Dragon’s Crown. It didn’t work.

[Hecatom]

So basically, reading the whole article, “we the media have and deserve the right to determine what is a hit, not the consumers”.

They tried that a little while back with Dragon’s Crown. It didn’t work.

And with everything related to Ninja Theory

[bmckay]

I know that’s tongue-in-cheek, but there’s a huge difference between reporting the same story, which is pretty big and needs to be discussed, and trying to divert attention away from an issue by creating a narrative that attacks your fanbase because one of your ranks got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar with conflict of interest.

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Except, it’s not. And here, I’ll tell you why:

They’re reporting on an event. They’re reporting on news. They’re reporting on a specific person. It’s just like with the Boston Marathon Bombing happened. News outlet didn’t collude on articles; they reported on what has clearly happened.

The Gamers Are Dead articles weren’t reporting on events, specific people, or news. They were opinions that were shared by 26(!!!) journalists in the same industry.

[Muff_Daddy]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

[Ash_Crimson]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

Collusion.

[Muff_Daddy]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

Collusion.

elaborate

*verb elab·o·rate \i-ˈla-bə-ˌrāt*

: to give more details about something : to discuss something more fully

: to bring (something, such as an idea or a plan) to a more advanced or developed state

You claim to have “found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry.” Now explain why it’s what you say it is. Your claim isn’t self evident.

[po_pimpus]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

***GODDAMMIT, STOP THIS SHIT.

FUCK.***

[Ash_Crimson]

Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

Collusion.

elaborate

*verb elab·o·rate \i-ˈla-bə-ˌrāt*

: to give more details about something : to discuss something more fully

: to bring (something, such as an idea or a plan) to a more advanced or developed state

You claim to have “found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry.” Now explain why it’s what you say it is. Your claim isn’t self evident.

Here:

http://i.imgur.com/ximVGaX.png

They are all saying the same thing, collusion.

[Moonchilde]

Peter Molyneux always over promises and always apologizes, lol. Why people still report on what he says when everyone and their dead grammaws know he’s full of shit and can’t fulfill his promises is beyond me. I didn’t know he was running a Kickstarter. That is one Kickstarter I would have avoided like the plague knowing his track record of promises and what actually gets delivered. While I dislike the guy a great deal, at least he owns up to a degree. Guy never learns his lesson though, so still no respect. Bloggers could learn a lot of him, as it’s obvious apologies go a long way in gamer forgiveness considering the example Molyneux sets.

They tried that a little while back with Dragon’s Crown. It didn’t work.

snickers yeah, I remember that, too! I was there to watch idiots at Ukatok start pulling the sexism shit out for a fucking 2D side scrolling beat em up. “No no, the dwarf isn’t sexualized or exaggerated at all, no that’s a male power fantasy!” For who? Who wants to actually imagine themselves as a fucking dwarf? Are we all of a sudden secretly closet midgets? What in the fuck!

And with everything related to Ninja Theory

lol, yeah, I remember the articles about Enslaved. Always did well with the critics but the game never sold well. Picked up the game for $10 new on PS3, played 15 minutes, saw the frame rate, never played again. Even Heavenly Sword frame rates weren’t that bad, at least that game was playable and had characters that were well done.

Then DmC hit, and wow, the way they spun that narrative was awful. I don’t even know why I was visiting those sites at that point, I guess I couldn’t take my eyes away from the head on collision that was happening. It was too obvious that the writers thought very little about the readers at that point.

[Muff_Daddy]

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Found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry:

This isn’t tongue in cheek however, this is serious collusion.

Elaborate.

Collusion.

elaborate

*verb elab·o·rate \i-ˈla-bə-ˌrāt*

: to give more details about something : to discuss something more fully

: to bring (something, such as an idea or a plan) to a more advanced or developed state

You claim to have “found some groundbreaking evidence of massive collusion with in the gaming journalism industry.” Now explain why it’s what you say it is. Your claim isn’t self evident.

Here:

http://i.imgur.com/ximVGaX.png

They are all saying the same thing, collusion.

Spoiler

What this means:
Ash if you want to debate how sleeping with the person reviewing your game isn’t a conflict of interest, that’s fine. But there will be no more jabs and stabs.

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For record-keeping purposes. Jabs and Stabs: Exhibit A

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It seems the only way this thread can somehow work is if it’s fact based (despite some of you having a very loose definition of what a fact is).

Lack of fact-based argumentation. Exhibit A:

Everytime gamergate attacks a woman*

*[citation needed]

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I don’t get why people are still going out of their way to say they don’t condone/support harassment, bullying, and death threats as if that hasn’t been said several thousand times already. “Gamergate doesn’t support …and strongly condemns…” No, just stop with this shit. Here are the facts:

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http://i.imgur.com/l5oUq1e.jpg

Has anyone located “Kevin Dobson” (@kdobbsz)? Does anyone know this moron’s IP address? Did this person mention gamergate in their tweets? This person should be put in jail, and then another fully constructed jail should be airlifted over the jail they’re already in and dropped on it. They should be in a jail, under a jail.

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http://i.imgur.com/sJX21ya.jpg

Has anyone located “Death to Brianna” (@chatterwhiteman)? Does anyone know this moron’s IP address? Did this person mention gamergate in their tweets? This person should be put in jail, and then another fully constructed jail should be airlifted over the jail they’re already in and dropped on it. They should be in a jail, under a jail.

Veering away from the topic of LACK OF ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM and devolving into either “Gamers are virgin pussies” or “Women are all bitches” will mean I swoop back in with infractions and bans as I see fit (and believe me there’s a lot that fit).

Veering away from the topic of lack of ethics in video game journalism and devolving into “Gamers are XYZ stereotype”. Exhibit A:

The real irony is that it isn’t the portrayal of gamers that is setting us back years, it’s our own actions, our inability to be mature and not be dicks to each other. Literally when all this is said and done in years to come, GamerGate won’t be known for it’s “ethics” or as a consumer revolt, it’ll be known as the time when gamers turned on each other, attacked each other and vindicated everyone’s belief that we’re idiots who argue over the most nebulous of concepts and ideas.

“Us”, “our”, and “we’re”?

Everytime gamergate attacks a woman it justifies the belief we’re misogynistic basement dwelling nerds, but rather than stand back and reflect on that, gamergate and gamergators double down on it; look at Sarkeesian or Quinn or Wu, they would have been nobodies and totally ignored if it wasn’t for gamergate and other idiots putting so much attention on them and what’s genuinely hilarious is that it’s gamergate’s fault. In attacking them, they’ve proven the need for feminism and justified feminist theory, in attacking sarkeesian you’ve basically proven her point about us, you could have ignored her (it’s too late now however) but because she said a thing about our hobby therefore attack.

“…it justifies the belief we’re misogynistic basement dwelling nerds…”
".…you’ve basically proven her point about us…"

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It continues:

Veering away from the topic of LACK OF ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM and devolving into either “Gamers are virgin pussies” or “Women are all bitches” will mean I swoop back in with infractions and bans as I see fit (and believe me there’s a lot that fit).

Veering away from the topic of lack of ethics in video game journalism and devolving into “Gamers are XYZ stereotype”. Exhibit B:

The trolls ARE gamers. Let’s not be wishy-washy here, gamers are in no way innocent and pure, there’s a lot of shit in our community and it takes a special kind of naivety to deny that.

Do you honestly think years of console warriors and people bitching at each other for things so pathetic and petty as videogames, hasn’t left a mark on the community?

People call me gullible and naive but this is amazing, but do go on my friend, tell us more about how gamers are unfairly protrayed and are the true victims here, when they react the most childishly out of all the other mediums, when faced with any sort of critique or opinion that is negative.

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It seems the only way this thread can somehow work is if it’s fact based (despite some of you having a very loose definition of what a fact is).

Ash if you want to debate how sleeping with the person reviewing your game isn’t a conflict of interest, that’s fine. But there will be no more jabs and stabs.

The deliberate disruption continues.

Good on The Escapist. I hope they stick to their word and keep bullshit politics out of their coverage and content. I added them to my RSS feed.

Again we see emotion, not fact:

Well if that is the case, im sure you will be aghast at the Escapist hiring an MRA*, you know, a decidely political thing.

^* [citation needed] Lack of fact-based argumentation. Exhibit B
^Jabs and Stabs: Exhibit B[/details]