I can see where this is going. If you want to defend Rev 60 getting downvoted as the result of spite but claim that McGrath not wanting his balls stuck in a vice has nothing to do with what Pinsof has mentioned, feel free to ride that crazy train.
Speaking of Revolution 60, did we ever discuss this particular discrepancy?
In the Greenlight page for Wu’s game, she claims the press describes it as Heavy Rain meets Mass Effect. Apparently that’s her own description of the game, not the press’.
I don’t see why you need to justify your opinion about a nebulous situation like this. One guy did an interview and said some stuff, someone mentioned in the interview said it didn’t happen that way. Take from that what you want, you don’t need to justify your feelings on the situation to anyone. If you believe Pinsof then that’s who you believe, and if you believe McGrath then the same. No real amount of bickering about it is going to change the other persons mind, it’s a situation you take away what you feel about it, and that’s really it.
The thing is if gamergate is truly about ethics in video game’s journalism, it would condemn the unethical issues that surround pinsof in his interview, but instead they use it as a crutch to beat an anti-gger with. It’s hypocrisy, you can’t claim to be for ethics but then ignore problems so you can make a cheap shot against someone, just because they happen to disagree with you.
People disagree with you about the validity of the interview. You just have to deal with that, people don’t feel the same way you do about it. Once again the only one coming off as having a problem that people feel differently about something is you. You don’t think the Pinsof interview has merit. Other people do for a verity of reasons. Get over it.
This isn’t a “oh there’s two sides” sort of story; the interviewee has come out and said that pinsof put forward inaccuracies and unsubstantiated claims.
There’s this weird discrepency in this whole thing; people are willing to believe Pinsof and his claims about McGrath in regards to Fez, but they aren’t willing to believe or accept McGrath’s own actual words that haven’t been filtered through Pinsof.
Sounds like an excuse, if people want to dismiss McGrath’s comments because of their own views then that says they were never interested in the truth as much as they’re interested in attacking people with dissenting opinions (basically anti-ggers).
Why should i get over people being demagogues and spouting inaccurate bullcrap in an attempt to assassinate someone’s character? I thought this was about ethics in video game journalism?
If that’s how you feel then fine, it’s been pretty evident over the course of this thread that no one is going to change your mind, and you’re not going to change anyone else’s mind. People don’t feel that Pinsof was lying, and they feel the current environment presents plenty of reasons to back up his claims. You feel McGrath’s word has more weight. That’s the way people feel about this situation, it’s a he said she said affair, so no one is right or wrong, it’s a matter of who you feel has words that weigh more, and nothing else. You feel Pinsof is lying, but there’s plenty of reason for McGrath to lie to, that’s all it boils down to, whichever one you feel you can trust.
You should get over it because it’s a nebulous situation, no side is more trust worthy then the other, no ones presented any facts or truths, it’s literally he said she said. It’s as simple as that. So get over it.
The whole point of the thread was to bring to light the relevant facts of the situation, not to debate about who you feel you can trust. If you are not coming with facts then shut the fuck up.
Except it isn’t; this isn’t like a relationship gone wrong where each party is pissed off at each other, this was an interviewer who falsely attributed views to someone he interviewed, it’s a completely different context. I really can’t see why you have trouble with what im saying, Pinsof claims McGrath said he didn’t speak about fez or raise the allegations of copying (which McGrath disputes as well by the way) because he was worried about his career, McGrath says “I didn’t actually say that”, if you believe Pinsof is correct you also have to believe what he quoted McGrath as alledgedly saying is correct and if that is the case why wouldn’t McGrath saying “Pinsof is wrong, he made up stuff” not be significant, if not more so?
This is shit journalism, it’s not a case of both sidings have equal validity.
Well yes, the whole topic and debate about gamergate pretty stupid debate as that’s all it is.
And i did bring light to the relevant facts; that McGrath contest’s Pinsof’s claims, I don’t see you bringing anything relevant, instead all you do is complain that i post, maybe you should take a look in the mirror and stop being a hypocrite.
Right, so arguing about it is pretty pointless and stupid. Just post your information so people get another perspective, stop starting arguments about it, because the whole thing is just accusations flying back and fourth, from both sides.
Just post information and let people come to their own conclusions. You’re not going to change their minds, and they aren’t going to change your mind, so it’s pointless to bicker, all it does is take up pages of people pointlessly bickering, while people like me who is interested in news on the subject, no matter what side it comes from, have to wade through pages and pages of people who are never going to see eye to eye arguing over something they are never going to agree on, while the relevant information to the thread (News articles, no matter which “side” they come from) gets buried in the mess.
Just get over the fact people feel different about the situation from you and stop turning what is mostly a news thread, into a big shit stain pain in the ass to navigate thread. It’s hard to get news about what is going on when it’s buried under pages and pages of pointless bickering. It solves nothing and makes the issue murkier and harder to obtain actual information from.
This goes for both sides honestly. Stop it. Thanks.
And the reason it’s pointless and stupid is because there are people who only agree with what McGrath says when it comes from certain sources (Pinsof) but when he makes his own statements apparently they are wrong, apparently his own reasons are wrong unless it comes from a source gger’s like and then it’s all good and correct.
You claim that people will make up their own minds; there are still people in this very thread and in gamergate in general that still believe the lie that Quinn slept around for reviews; information and facts are useless if people are more interested in supporting their personal dogma rather than listening to the facts, at this point i’d hazard a guess and say that they aren’t looking for facts, they’re looking for stuff that supports their view rather than being open minded basically confirmation bias.
This isn’t a news thread and it never has been, this is a soapbox for certain people to openly voice their dislike SJW’s and women and although i do believe Valaris’ stance and rules will limit that, im not going to suddenly dismiss the 100s of posts in this thread that were exactly that; demagogery and ranting about SJW’s and women, because it would be dishonest, disengenuous and would also ignore the context of this very thread and the reason it exists.
I’m not even just talking about this thread now, it applies to GamerGate as a whole; Ethics is secondary if not tertiary, the whole movement, be it from the start or some point later, has degenerated into “fuck sjw’s, fuck people we view as sjws”, just like this thread itself so please, spare me the incredulous “oh it’s a news thread!” we both know it isn’t, if it was at the beginning, it certainly isn’t now and hasn’t been so for a LONG time.
If that is how you feel then fine, but after 182 pages of repeating yourself have you changed anyones mind?
If the answer is no, which it is if you’re honest with yourself (if people still think Zoe slept around for reviews, then your arguments fall on def ears), then what point is there? Just post your information. Let people come to their own conclusions. If they don’t come to conclusions you agree with, fuckin deal with it.
Imo I think there is truth to both what McGrath and Pinsof have to say because people see and remember and interpret shit differently, their both probably a bit right and wrong. I personally don’t see how either of their words hold more weight then the other, neither have produced any concrete evidence to back up their words, it’s as I laid out earlier He said, she said. Who you choose to place more stock in is up to you.
I can’t change someone’s mind if they’re set in their ways, especially if they aren’t receptive to dissenting opinions or information and facts that don’t align with their beliefs. I understand your points, but im not too bothered whether i change people’s minds, i am just here to ensure this isn’t a one-sided thread.
I don’t know why you expected him to get the point.
Because it’s fairly obvious he hasn’t, and will not ever put in the effort to come to a mutual understanding*.
You’re arguing with a parallel version of Sennin right now, right down to his blood boiling shtickof constantly being wrong no matter what subject he’s arguing about and steadfast refusal to accept when and how he’s wrong when given visual evidence.
*He chooses to stay in ignorance because the alternative is something he isn’t willing to accept, because it would also mean he has to look in the mirror about his own actions and why he’s willing to accept and identify with others who contradict in their actions what he claims to represent intellectually. He’s not honest, with himself or with others.