Modern Warfare 3 sold less than Black Ops, I expect this trend to continue.
oh hey xes reads gamasutra
surprise surprise
Even if Skullgirls is a POS game ridden with bugs at least none of the bugs forced people to revert to a previous version for tournaments because two fucking projectiles decided to touch each other (HOLY SHIT THAT NEVER HAPPENS).
Say yes to anime!
noone said the game was going to revitalize shit spanky, it’s just a fun game to play
i aint mad bro
keep on hatin tho
anime for life
i don’t really think you understand what gamasutra really is.
alot of their writers come from the industry, and their focus is industry. even if some of their writers are off-based, it usually comes from experience and personal philosophy. but that is the gaming industry in a nutshell… some amalgamated blob of opinions and philosophies that often clash with each other.
gamasutra as a news site is pretty neutral. not much editorializing, just straight facts. then they have their interview pieces where they directly talk to industry people or allow them to write their own article, which is probably where you find fault with them. then there are these opinion pieces, which is pretty clearly stated in the title of the article.
and even in their more flamboyant articles, they still manage to state a case that reads better than almost any other site out there. gamasutra isn’t trying to be vg247, where it is 0 opinion, nor is it trying to inject/forcefeed personality like kotaku or destructoid. Its audience isn’t the mw and madden crowd. its an industry focused sight and you can tell because 90% of the articles probably mean nothing to the average person. articles about the relevancy of metrics and interviews about telling narratives mean absolutely nothing to your average person. there are so many clashing views in the industry, so you get alot of people with new, and sometimes wrong, points of view, and gamasutra’s articles are more or less a sharing of those ideas.
yes, alot of people are pretentious in video games. doesn’t mean they don’t occasionally have good points or aren’t worth listening to, especially when they have seen more success than most of us ever will. like this david cage article makes me cringe just looking at it, but he can’t be completely ignored just because i don’t agree with his ideologies… especially since sony gives him blank checks to make his choose your own adventure games.
Yeah, the article sums up all the major blow ups regarding SFxT - nothing really to discuss here that hasn’t already been said countless times.
My main worry is that since this a profit minded company and all that jazz that they’ll try to bail on this whole fiasco instead of investing more time and money into the next big thing. Like. Devil May ruin his eyeliner. D:
Hopefully it doesn’t go down like that, but it is something we should insulated ourselves from the beginning, wish more cool heads had read all those articles on how SFxT wasn’t all that bad at the end of the day instead of fishing for likes with ‘crapcom games suxxxxx play kofffff’
They forgot the part about Capcom making fighting games for people who don’t care about fighting games.
Bottom line, you play to your base, the people you KNOW will buy and support the game. If the game’s good enough and has a little something to hook casuals (flashy graphics or like Marvel does with Spider Man/Wolverine/etc) then casuals will pick it up in part because of said hook, and in part because they’ll hear real players talking about how badass it is. You don’t have to make the game retarded to get new players to play it. If they stick with it, great. If not, no harm done, they probably wouldn’t have contributed anything to the community in the first place.
Why are you even responding to a 3 day old troll account?
The goal of the “industry” is not always to make better video games. Sometimes it’s to push whatever product unto the consumer, convincing him that he needs something he doesn’t really need.
A success to them is to make people a virtual piece of armor for 15$, or strip a game down to be less than what people played in the 80s but convince people that IT’S THE FUTURE.
So our interest as players is a PURER interest. We REALLY want good video games (each by his own standards of course.)
So if I want to learn about marketing and making money from video games, maybe I’d listen to what they have to say. But for me as a player they are one of the worst. (And their ignorance becomes clear when you look at whatever articles that involve the word “art”.)
And that’s even before we get into people who don’t write because they have something insightful to say, but write for the sake of writing, to get attention and money. e.g. people like Leigh Alexander.
I think you’re on the wrong track, they know (think) that the base will buy their games either way.
The tactic seems to be to put intense time pressure on their team, and then throw in a few gimmicks for the casuals and a few more gimmicks for the hardcores.
It’s not about who they’re catering to, its about not giving a fuck beyond general appearances.
I’m kind of shocked by the Gamasutra hate actually. You guys never fail to surprise me.
I presume they said something bad about something you liked?
PS: Read the article you’d probably actually agree with the points, if you aren’t too busy hating.
I thought it was a decent article, regardless of who wrote it or who likes it.
You havent played any marvel because those are hour 1 combos. Don’t get me wrong the game sucks but you’re exaggeration is repulsive. It’s only “fun” to watch because it’s so random that joe blow can walk up and beat people like Jwong (my friend put him into losers at Final Round which he didnt make it out of) Does it mean they’re better players? Fuck no Marvel is too randumb. Also MK9 sucks to watch or play.
Thats why I still play it. It will never change… no balance patches, no noobs crying (if they do they quit by week 2), and my favorite game of all time. No reason not to play. The community where I live isnt the worst so its def awesome.
I just wish they wouldn’t change the games so often… I don’t want balance patches I just want to learn the game.
Hey man, I like 80s games too, but insinuating that modern games are stripped down to the point where they are less (something…) than 80s games is absurd.
Also, I hate to break it to you, but getting paid is an important part of the whole “career” thing, and selling product is part of that. Even back in the good ol’, nostalgia heavy SNES/Gen/Amiga/ST days, developers weren’t making games in the pursuit of altruism. The goal has always been to move boxes, and more often than not, the best way to sell games is to have a great game to sell.
And the $1,000,000 question is, are you actually 44 years old?
video reference for a game less stripped down than a recent Capcom game
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Still, gotta say all the designers I know (heh) generally want to make a game they are proud of and want to play, even if they’re not always allowed to 
The reason that the Fighting Game genre is so ghettoized and the reason that Capcom can get away with this stuff is that people have such an aggressive disinterest in how design and development work. If we make the effort to understand those viewpoints, maybe we can actually have meaningful insight/input to improve fighting games instead of the various debacles the genre has had lately.
You seem to no idea what I’m talking about, at all.
sfxt is only further proof that purely catering to the casual market doesn’t equal an increase in sales. The market being flooded with fighters isn’t what killed sfxt. The game being bad is what killed it. If they actually intended to make a good game, it wouldn’t matter if the market was flooded because people would of still chosen it over other bad games we have in the genre right now. KOF 13 isn’t having that much of problem because SNK actually decided to make a good game and not something that was designed to rob players blind and turn fighters into pokemon
Capcom has always done what they wanted with fighters. Just pump it out and if it sells it sells, if it doesn’t just abandon it. Anyone remember street fighter the movie the game? yea, fucking worst POS ever made. Capcom is notorious for cash games. They just do these types of things every now and then when they need to make a few bucks.
and whats funny about this whole process is that Capcom still won’t accept any wrong doing lolol. To them, this is just another day and its the markets fault for not accepting it… the game being prehistoric with bad mechanics will never get addressed
I just said this, ‘catering to the casual market’ has very little to do with it. We need to quit trying to foist a particular agenda onto every related news story, no matter what it is.
This is more about extracting every possible penny of money from the fans. UMvC3 and the paid DLC disaster with SFxT are both about maximum monetization, not about a casual focus to their games.
(Also, SF:Movie arcade wasn’t quite so terrible as you imply, you must’ve only played the console version)
i understand. but you thinking they are a joke is not the fault of the readers or writers. its how the industry is.
most of the people in the industry are blowhards, otherwise the distribution of good games would be spread out evenly amongst developers. and some people who suck make great games on accident. gamasutra trusts you (assuming you are an industry professional) to have your filters on and that you can make your own distinctions about what to listen to and what to take from it. there really isn’t a good idea/bad idea premise… its a bunch of ideas being shared, and you do what you want with that information to make you a better professional.
odd;s are that it isn’t meant for you, but if your interest is making games and getting different viewpoints, that is what the site for. it isn’t for news. and you are right its about making things better. but if you are gamasutra, you don’t go “here are the good ideas, here are ones we think are bad, we aren’t going to print them”. putting someone in charge of deciding which ideas are right and wrong would ruin the very concept of the site. every opinion, good or bad, gets a format, the only thing about the site is that the writers who write for them have some clout as people who should know what they are talking about, that is why its an industry mainstay.
i mean, as far as i know, its the only game site with industry job listings as a main part of its function… that should tell you the audience its trying to cater to.
It was easy to hijack because the original article linked just copy pasted the the vocal complaints everyone already seen on the internet, without providing anything new or interesting to discuss about.
But someone opened a thread about shit we already talked about ad nauseam just because gamasutra copy pasted it.
Link me good articles then. From what I’ve seen the website caters to a specific agenda which I think is pure BS, and nothing else.
I think the topic was opened because it was a notable site, Gamasutra, looking at the problem and chiming in on it.
Of course, if Gamasutra isn’t a notable name to you, you don’t care. So why are you posting in the thread?