Someone needs to take one for Team ST and dump this shiz.
I would be very interested to see the board booted, and also photos of the insides showing that there is no daughter board on the b board. So to guarantee that ST isn’t a boot now, it has to be non phoenixed AND shown to have a battery/daughterboard. (there are non-phoenix decrypted images you can flash onto boards now) Just like any other conversion/boot. (except other games don’t have a daughterboard). Batteries can be placed on a board easily enough. but daughterboards… That might be too much hassle for people trying to pass boots off as original.
are you sure it’s ST? or just New Challengers hacked up to speed? (that’s why i’d like to see the game booted) see if it’s legitimate. (a legitimate boot heh)
Tbh, X-men vs SF was worth really only like $50 till recently. I have no idea how in the past year it jumped to $100, being purchased on ebay.
I check ebay for cps2 listings every couple of weeks and this listing always annoys me
more than 10 ($60ish) boards for basically ST priced?
I have a feeling that this guy’s trying to monopolize cheap Cps2 boards by buying them off cheap and reselling them for absurd prices…
what annoys me and angers me more is that people will actually buy this crap and succeed too.
another thing that angers me is phoenix boards being sold at prices comparable to the original undamaged, encrypted board. and listings like this
which encourage phoenixing as a preventative measure… NO. Phoenixing is irreversible, and your board is effectively damaged (and has become a boot). Phoenixing should be a measure to revive dead games whose battery has died for whatever reason.
Okay, here we go.
In arcade terms, this is not a bootleg, it’s a conversion. There’s a difference. Bootlegs run on non-original hardware. This does run on CPS2, and is no different from any phoenixed version of a CPS2 game. Phoenixed ST is totally accepted by the community.
No, it’s not. Asian boards are grey. This is South American region.
No, they haven’t. People need to stop pretending like this is the case. Just because you want something to be cheap doesn’t mean you can will it to be so.
This.
That board doesn’t work. Stop posting in this thread.
I’ve never seen one for ST either, mostly because they’re not off-the-charts expensive like Progear or HSF2, but the method to do this has been known for a long time.
The reason this works is not a difference in game code, so dumping the ROMs is just going to get you standard phoenix code.
when you’re talking about CPS-2 games the term conversion is reserved for officially converted boards done by capcom (because those DO exist), with suicide batteries and encryption intact. Bootlegs are the ones without working batteries with decrypted boards. Why is there no need to differentiate bootlegs on original hardware and ones that aren’t? because it’s usually obvious in context and visually.
If your definition were true, those 17-in-1 and 18-in-1 CPS1 / 2 boards are “conversions” rather than “bootlegs”. And those are almost universally agreed upon as being bootlegs. not conversions.
did you not even read steveTren’s post before replying to it? The whole point of it was:
The reason why you haven’t seen one for ST is because ST has a daughter board. It is unique compared to other CPS2 games. See what’s mentioned above regarding this. and also : A couple questions on building an ST supergun
The phoenixed STs you’ve seen aren’t “converions” (your definition) or “bootlegs” (my definition) since the hardware gets flashed with what (for the most part) is the same game/software that it originally had. (this may appear to conflict with the definition I gave earlier, but I’ve explained how it isn’t a contradiction in so many other places before I’m not going to bother delving into it again here. but TL; DR That’s why there’s scare quotes, and it’s really a grey area interms of nomenclature but it’s important to make a distinction in certain cases.) Just check the thread I liked to just above. I’m sure I’ve explained it in there at one point.
Functionally, for any other game that ST (no daughterboard) these non-bootlegs have no obvious way to be differentiated with bootlegs. Thus, are for the most part, delt with the same way as bootlegs in the market (of informed buyers).
of course uninformed buyers are always overpaying for stuff.
i’m buying this. st rules
This debate about board differences has been going on for years and probably won’t change for maybe another 10-15 years from now when there is less battery powered cps2 games out there. The reason I think there will be less in time, with Capcom out of the CPS2 business there are too many factors that can happen to battery powered CPS2 games to cause them to die and nowhere to go to get the genuine article when that happens. Right now a lot of people just don’t want to deal with batteries dying on them and in some cases leaking all over the board and pretty much destroying it( now even phoenix won’t help). If your around CPS2 long enough you see boards dead because of so many different things like- screwed up voltages,dropped the board and now it doesn’t work, bad battery soldering, the list goes on and on. The point is right now this is a debate but in time I think the true battery powered CPS2 boards with Capcom’s code still in it will be sought after by collectors and the price difference will be much different between the real deal and when phoenix boards and conversions become more easily available. I have all 3 versions I just mentioned with my different boards and like them all for different reasons.The real deal is my favorite though. Just something about it.
Well, I see this as the beginning to cheaper ST boards. I just want to see that this bootleg really is the real deal (ST on a B board with no daughter board). Has anyone bought the board yet? or have you sold it yet? Can you open up the case and show us that there’s no daughter board? and boot it up to show us that it actually is a functional ST rom loaded? and not just a sticker swap)
He’s going to dump the roms and then sell it to me irl. It’s definitely ST, I saw it working a few days ago
I don’t know why this would drop prices for battery ST though, that should still be recognized as the only for sure way to get the 100% accurate experience.
Not like I’m personally invested in the prices of a decent hoard of battery STs or anything 
Didn’t realize CPS2 board prices had spiked up so suddenly recently. I guess now’s a good a time as any to put my ST board up for sale.
Sorry I called orange south asia both my bootleg progear and hyper are south asia version on orange carts. That price is still expensive for a bootleg.jap st original just sold over on neogeoforums for $235 shipped. The non working board I bought was just phoenixed to st so eat a dick.
Wow very mature response. I now know to never read your post. Thanks for posting genius.
Do you think Zenblaster would admit if he bought a board that he paid $45.00 for and it was complete trash he would tell the truth about it?? Nope. Look how he acts on here. Who cares what this guy CLAIMS.
I remember back in 2008 seeing CPS2 boards going for around only $45 on ebay which were mostly vs games. Now it’s hard to find ones that aren’t 100+ aside from a few that pop up every now and then.
The game has sold. Thanks for reminding me why I barely visit a site I have been a member of since 2001 lol
The purpose of me buying the game, was so that I could learn how it worked both as an arcade tech and an ST enthusiast. The sale of this unique curiosity has no bearing on legit ST boards and their market prices. I bought the game, then imported a Mexican A-board, and then sold it for exactly what I paid and some people are in a tizzy fit for it for some reason that I chose not to lose money. Strange.
Sure, NP. I have already opened it to examine how it works (which was the only reason I bought it, curiosity because I am an ST player and arcade hardware enthusiast and never saw another ST boot before). There is absolutely no daughterboard. I’m glad someone else is curious about it.
Correct. Must have a daughterboard inside, or it is a bootleg. But the difference between bootleg and legit on CPS2 matters far less than on other arcade hardware-there are HK bootlegs of older games with different timing and graphic glitches, etc since they designed their own PCBs, used low quality components… CPS2 it doesn’t matter whether it is a factory original or a homemade conversion in theory, unless you REALLY care that someone from Capcom JP burned maskroms for you.
I have seen unpopulated CPS2 daughterboards on ebay, I’m not 100% sure but I am like 99% sure they could be used to make proper ST boots.
I’m a competitive ST player, it’s ST.
Hey, thanks for the response.
Actually not quite. Yes, the code will all be the phoenixed roms (or the non-phoenix decrypted roms) true, but the ROM graphic data on the daughter board has been combined onto the ROMs on the standard board. So the data as a whole is the same, but it is mushed together and split up in a different way and the addressing has been addressed so that no daughterboard is needed.