Bit of both, Fox certainly hijacked parts of it but the director was also being a giant dick to everyone and showing up drunk constantly.
I guess you are right. I am trying to paste together a generous explanation as to why this movie was that bad. I honestly feel bad for the director because i thought his movie, Chronicle was a good movie so i’m just trying to cut this guy some slack if it is actually possible for me to do so. I do recall him tweeting about this movie being bad a long time ago, i think I did at least.
I’m also so angry at fox as to how they are holding these franchises hostage. People like the X-men movies and i can see why but i honestly hate them because of how they just aren’t the x-men i hoped to watch when i was young. For some reason, characters like Mystique are the bigger protagonists than guys like Cyclops. It’s so weird. Then with the f4… People are starting to say that the F4 is just really a hopeless franchise that even the comics aren’t cared about. Well, the Guardians of the Galaxy were completely unknown before their movie and because of how well they were portrayed they are now one of the most popular marvel teams. Marvel and DC are doing a great job with their cinematic universes and a majority favor marvel due to the flavor it gives, but DC is still doing a great job and what they have over marvel is that they are able to use their best players while Marvel can only use what disney currently owns. The whole Infinity war that we are waiting for will not have the X-men in it, which is a damn shame. We will likely see allot of the current MCU peeps but todays generation will not care about the X-men and them being part of this upcoming MCU collage would certainly be awesome. I really do not like Fox.
I can’t wait to see the marvel’s version of Doom not living the expectations of anyone.
In fact i still don’t understand the love for Doom, the character is terrible.
Marvel hasn’t exactly done right but it’s villains. With the exception of fisk and thanos I wouldn’t expect doom to be that great either.
(Given how people act, I’m sure both Trank and Fox are at least partly to blame for what happened to the movie. No way neither side is blameless.)
Anyway, echoing what’s been said already, outside of lesser villains that exclusively battle the Fantastic Four like Mole Man or The Wizard, the Fantastic Four isn’t needed to introduce anyone else, especially the Skrulls or Dr. Doom or Kang the Conqueror. Even Uatu, Galactus and Silver Surfer could probably get away with being introduced in a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. You could probably even get away with introducing Uatu or Silver Surfer in one of the Thor movies, really.
I’m not sure where you’ve been, but even Marvel itself has been pretty consistent with both fucking over Cyclops at almost every opportunity and shilling Wolverine at every possible opportunity. Hell, it took Marvel (finally) turning Cyclops into basically an almost out-and-out villain for him to start getting any damn respect from them rather than just some loser in a love triangle who some gets turned into the unpopular one despite the fact it’s his wife, whom he genuinely loves, being lusted after by a hairy Canadian midget. So that aspect, at least, is hardly a result of Fox’s incompetence.
As for Mystique being a relatively big protagonist in “flashback” X-Men movies, yeah, it’s a bit weird, especially with her being Charles’s “sister” here, but really she’s the easiest (read: only) choice for an old-school female main character when the old folks were younger since she’s basically as long-lived as Wolverine. They also had to tie her to the good guys in someway given she’s not Rogue’s foster mother in Fox’s movies–I can’t remember if she’s even interacted with Rogue at all in the Fox’s live-action X-Men universe, actually.
Basically, as far as female characters who would still be around in the latter movies go, she was basically the only choice available anyway unless they were going try to retcon in Destiny or the mess that is Cassandra Nova or, I suppose, an older Emma Frost (whom Fox just wasted instead). So on those grounds, it was actually a pretty reasonable move by Fox, at least given the moves they had made before then. Casting Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique and then having Mystique act like a complete dumb-ass throughout most of Days of Future Past though…
Yes…respect…
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When did that happen? Secret Wars?
I’m waiting for it to be all over before reading it.
I think super skrull would be a really cool villain to see in live action for a FF film. I don’t know why, but his presence with the current ff cast would definitely remind me of shit like “StarKid” where some otherworldly being makes an arrival to earth and starts fucking shit up. I know Doom is kinda like that in this film, but skrull just raises higher stakes imo.
I’m not trying to debase Doom, but I don’t think he’s a character that works in a film just for the simple fact executives dont know how to handle him right.
Yep happened in the last issue of Secret Wars.
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Mind you the nigga had the full power of the Phoenix & Doom did that in like two panels lol
(Which Super Skrull? I’m assuming you mean Kl’rt.)
Even before Secret Invasion there are/were at least two prominent ones, though everyone, myself included, seems to forget about Paibok in favor of Kl’rt.
That said, while Skrulls can be introduced without the Fantastic Four, thinking on it now, I suppose you would “need” to introduce the Fantastic Four before you could introduce Kl’rt, at least as The Super Skrull. Otherwise things seem like they would get really weird really fast.
Hey, putting him out of his misery is still more respectful than all the other shit that’s Marvel done to him repeatedly for decades on end.
Be mindful also that I said “any” rather than “a lot of”.
Still, good to know I guess even though I haven’t read American comics with any regularity in about a decade and don’t plan to start up ever again.
says the studio that hijacked his film
Cyclops was the last holdout of the Phoenix, but Doom snapped his neck, but who knows…he’s Phoenix.
Kang is Reed’s descendant. Doom has to be introduced in FF, especially if you want him done right. Need to have him and Reed involved during college.
The hard part with Doom, is finding a good actor, who is willing to just be a voice or just be a dude in a mask. Doom is basically a Darth Vader type.
Let’s be real, would the deleted scenes actually have made this movie even remotely decent?
Sounds like the director is just crying sour grapes.
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Doom can’t go a Secret War without getting extra broken.
Kang has no definitive ties to Reed. Him being his dad/descendant/whatever is purely speculation. As a character, Kang is one of the Avengers premiere villains right up there with Ultron and the Masters of Evil.
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he is either Reed’s descendant, or his brother, depending on the story. There are some crazy alternate universe versions, but for the most part, he is agreed to be Reed’s descendant.
Damn, this shit’s goin down faster than after taking Ex-Lax.
And I was rather morbidly curious about the movie. Hell, went to Denny’s about three weeks prior and they had some food stuffs and plates named after different things Fantastic Four related.
…Food was meh.
(Never heard of that with regards to Kang and I have to back up him being primarily [perceived as] an Avengers villain anyway.)
Either way, even if that was indisputably true and he was a (relatively) well-known character even to people who didn’t read comics, you’re acting like they couldn’t change in the movies anyway.
See also: Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch not being mutants and apparently willingly working with Hydra, Bucky being Steve’s best friend and the same age as him, Iron Man creating Ultron, Yondu not being a heroic character, etc.
I thought Loki in the 1st Avengers was ok but i do agree with you.
I think Marvel will be killing more X-men characters just to “FU FOX”. They’ve killed Prof X, Wolverine, and now cyke. I assume Storm, Mags, Colossus are soon to follow.
I saw the film, lol these guys are really pushing the 12a rating to the limit. At first I was surprised by the amount of swearing and then the movie takes a really dark turn with Doom’s arrival to Earth (best part of the movie, although saying that I did really like the beginning where they were just kids doing a science project, they’re all completely unbelievable as teenagers lol). There seems like there could be a really good movie in here if they can get the director back to redo a cut.
Fox has fucked up so many times that I’m leaning towards this being more of their fault than the director’s. The guy had a vision and obviously wasn’t allowed to make the film he wanted so he went off the rails, extremely unprofessional. I don’t know why you’d want your name in the credits if you’re this unhappy /kanyeshrug
Yeah but this one doesn’t really count.
[details=Spoiler]Damn near everyone was dead anyway, Cyke was the last mutant and then was killed. While you know I’m a believer in the “No More Mutants until Fox Plays Ball” belief, this one really wasn’t slanted toward that. There aren’t a ton of people alive to begin with during these Secret Wars. The Fantastic Four is broken apart (Thing’s dead, Johnny is forced to be a Sun, Reed is a broken mess, and Sue is brainwashed to be Doom’s lover), even Deadpool was killed off. While you could say “Obviously they’re killing off every property they don’t own”, they made Doom the big bad (again) and killed off a lot more people, including recently Doctor Strange (who up until that chapter was playing the Role of Doom’s bitch).
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What matters isn’t who’s alive or dead now, what matters is how things will be portrayed during All-New, All-Different Marvel.