Final Round 12 focus group discussion

Regional Matchmaking Atlantic South
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I just saw this…

OK, the way I see it is this… sponsors aren’t gonna ask you how many entrants you had for Melty Blood this past FR. They’re going to ask you how many people you had walk through that door. That’s it. It doesn’t matter what they do when they’re in there, as far as sponsorship goes.

Now raising the price for tournament entry helps the community likes this:

What happens now is players that really play KoF, or WHP, or Monster, or whatever… they go to FR (or whatever tournament), because they are dedicated fighting game players. When they’re there, they figure why not play 3S? 3S now gets a huge bracket, which takes FOREVER to run. It uses up resources for the entire weekend. Now everything is running slower than it could be running.

Well, damn ShinAkuma34238 has to go to work on Monday morning, he leaves Sunday at noon. So do 40 other people.

Back to the original Monster player. He played 3S on Saturday (a game he really doesn’t care about), and effectively pushed all of FR back a couple of hours (along with the other guys who played, but really don’t care). He used up resources that could have been used to play Monster, really. The main tournaments are now running longer, and taking up the big screen.

Shit, it’s Sunday night, and we still have to run CvS, Marvel, Tekken, and SFIV finals. There is zero room for Monster to make the big screen. Not enough time.

Or if there is time at the very end, by now 50 more people have already left. Even if the game does make the big screen, much less people are there to watch. Damn. Oh well… there’s always next year.

OK, let’s go for scenario two now:

That guy that really plays Monster (and 40 other people that don’t really give a damn about 3S) decide not to play 3S.

Well now… damn… 3S doesn’t need 6 TVs… now they only need 4. Shit. That’s two TV’s we can play Monster on.

Fuck… 3S finishes on Saturday night! Damn!!! It even ends early. Shit… why don’t we run Monster finals (since there were stations to play the Monster tournament on Saturday) on the big screen?

ShinAkuma457498320574283 has to go to work, so he leaves Sunday at noon, but he just saw Monster finals last night, and he thinks that shit is dope. We’ve got some more Monster players now. Also, now players that ONLY play Monster have a reason to go to the next FR. They know Monster will be on the big screen. They want a shot at that. They’re going to tha A shawty.

In other news, Justin Wong still wins 3S.

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Great points havoc! You make strong arguements sir!

P.S.

Please everyone say a pray for our hommie that gone Brain graham “Mummy-B”! It’s his birthday today!

[COLOR=“red”][COLOR=“SeaGreen”]HAPPY B-DAY HOMMIE![/COLOR][/COLOR]

I know you have been looking down on FR with a big smile on your face.

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A $20 fee for Tekken/3s/GG/SF4/Marvel would work

Admittedly, the only one of those I’d actually play is SF4, but those are the big games that could stand some cutting down.

How many true scrubs who stand no chance of winning a match actually enter a major though outside of ATL locals? Most people willing to travel 200+ miles will have some skill.

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:china:

I remember he died the day after my birthday…

Happy Birthday homie

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Whatever happens I support Larry for FRXII…My money goes where he goes all it is to it.

-Dark Geese

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i see a lot of good points havocs making. hes not saying alienate anyone its more of a win win for everyone across the boards. raise the price. now you have a bigger pot and at the least you have the same amount of money you would have if those other people would have joined just filling space. on the flip side now that the price is raised that ten extra dollars can be saved and used on something else hell maybe they may see one of monkee’s jap porns and be like “oh me likey, wanna take this home and love long time”.

anyways this was my second fr i enjoyed it made new friends both time i support it like i support making money :tup::rofl::woot:.

keits werent you talking with larry about using computers to run the brackets quicker?

oh and three days would be great. ive noticed that there are a few side tourneys for older games that have followings that dont get light. maybe this third day will make room to shine on them. not this year but last year i think i saw a tourney for tmnt tournament fighters. the shit was fierce hell i just recently found my copy of the game and wouldnt mind trying my hand at it against others but where am i going to find that at? fr maybe?

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I’d say this should only be done for games that had >64 in the bracket last year, or new major games (which is SF4)

A raise to $20 or $25 for these games I’d support
GGAC/Blazblue
SF4
3s
Marvel
Tekken
Smash
CvS2 (not as popular, but game takes so long a 32 bracket is more then enough)

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Well, this is an interesting debate. Larry, it’s ironic that you are now looking at making FR an actual business because I was going to talk to you about that if I had a chance to attend. I think that, in it self, is a great idea. My takes on the main topics of this thread:

Limit on the number of entrants:I think that after the last few evo tournaments, this doesn’t seem to be a bad idea. Especially in regards to getting the smaller games time to showcase themselves. I haven’t been to evo yet, but I know that they have been pressed for time a lot I think for the last few years, and the turnout has a lot to do with it. The only problem that I see here is that if you cap the games from the pre-reg thread, then people that may still want to play will either take a chance on making a trip to still enter their desired game(since there is always people that don’t show that pre-reg), or just not come at all. Well, depending on how far they are traveling, most will probably opt for option two because there is no point in risking that much money to show up to the tournament and figure out that they can’t enter. There are quite a few people that play only one game, so I don’t know if capping is a good idea. If you do cap, I would suggest that you maybe create an extra incentive to pre-reg, which would be to offer a stanard pre-reg rate per game, and then a increased rate for walk-ins. A lot of conventions do this. Still I am leaning more against capping. I believe that you can pull off running all of the tournaments on time if you have the staff to do so. A business fundamental is to analyze and accommodate for the appropriate demand. If you expect to have a major turnout, hire enough people to take care of everything. This is especially easier if you have a venue like the GWCC, because you don’t have to worry about any hold ups on games with the exception of a person who has to play in multiple games at the same time.

Raising the entry fee: In regards to the major games, I really don’t this will have too much effect on the overall turnout. Hell everything else in america is more expensive, so an increased entry fee for a game shouldn’t hurt. :slight_smile: the mian thing I don’t like is that I believe that people won’t enter games that they may just want to give a go at. While I think havoc made a very valid point about this, I always felt that you learn the most about fighting games by entering tournaments. Not just watching, but actually playing. So raising the fees will more than likely convince people to just stick to games they know or as havoc put it, really care about, but that does, in turn, eliminate the too many entrants factor.

Another thing to consider, If you can get some sponsorship, you may not have to raise the game fee, the sponsor may throw some money or other prizes in the mix. just my five cents.

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All great points sir. Someone stop this man he’s on fire.:looney:

If I went to 20 per game and pay out top 5 in each $20 game would that be fair to everyone? More people have a chance to cash out!

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I would have the payouts something like this if tournaments reach 200 entries:

Top 5 = 50/20/15/10/5 at $20 per player (or something simalar) - 1st gets $2000, 2nd gets $800, 3rd gets $600, 4th gets $400, 5th gets $200 (Both 5th might have to battle it out for prize money or get $100 each)

Top 8 = 1st 45%, 2nd 20%, 3rd 15%, 4th 10%, 5th (2 of them) 3%, 7th (2 of them) 2% $20 per player
1st gets $1800, 2nd gets $800, 3rd gets $600, 4th gets $400, 5th Gets $120, 7th gets $80

So what do ya’ll think?

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You can’t pay top 5. Its either Top 3, 4, 6, or 8 (due to the ties for 5th and 7th).

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I would have to disagree. Anyone who enters feel they have a good shot at winning. I don’t think anyone signs up for the WSOP just for the love of the game. They all believe they can win.

That being said, I personally would pay $20 to get in a tournament I know I couldn’t win. It’s for the love of the game and the camaraderie I attend for. Like a poster before me, an extra ten dollars is not going to break you, considering what some of us paid to GET there in the first place.

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Maybe the best idea would be the run this as an experiment this year in a couple of games, and see what happen.

My choices for experimental games: 3s and Marvel

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Not true. Even pros realize it’s a crap shoot at this point.

55

…its poker… anyway, just a little side point…it’d be great to have the water again…i really missed the water…especially with the only vending machine in the hotel not taking bills…

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yes you can. You split the money for 5th! Since the share the same ranking they share the same prize money! problem solved:looney::rofl::rofl: or they play for it imo.

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haha if they split it, you are paying top 6, not top 5. you COULD have them play for it… but thats just more time, and isnt that what its proposed we are saving by raising entry fees?

Im still against it, for the record. Considering what its costs some of us to get there, an extra 10 dollars MIGHT break some people.

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One other option: poll it up.

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Honestly,I’m all for raising the entrance fee. I had a great time at FRXI and I wanna help out in any way I can to make sure this tournament keeps going. However, paying $10 more per game would probably limit my ability to come.
Havoc has some really good points. I agree with Keits more though. I play a lot of differant games. $10 extra would kill me. Granted we do have a lot of time to save up for it, but I can’t really justify spending twice as much as I normally would have. I have bills and school to pay for.
$20 for a few games like 3s or SFIV(or Tekken and Smash) wouldn’t be the end of the world, but raising them all might not make me able to attend. I had a great time this year. I’m looking forward to FRXII.
I think if Larry can get this into a 3 day event that should really help out with the time concerns.

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My final, official suggestion:

Have a two-tiered reg system (Evo is doing this)
$25 if you do by Jan 1
$30 if by Feb 15
$40 at door

Game prices
$10 most games
$20 Marvel, GG and 3s (3 biggest games)