Yes I said fighting games are highly popular but not the FGC. For this community to grow it needs to try new ideas so that tournaments can become huge with $100,000+ pools.
If you think this is such a good idea, implement it yourself and see if it catches on. As it stands 99% of the FGC would be diametrically opposed to it so your only option would be to just do it yourself and pray.
I get that and I understand people love to stick with the same characters but why not try something different at a major tournament or at least add another bracket? Let the elitists stick to the old ways but why not give other ideas a chance to see how they work?
WTF is this talk of This and that needs to “Evolve”?
Tournaments are hard as fuck to run. You have to actually get people [Known and complete strangers] together in one area for a specific game.
You also have to get said people and tournament staff on the same page during the whole length of the event. [4-6hrs - 3 DAYS!!]
And you expect that a COMMUNITY based scene be able to change their tournament ruleset, way of operation, willy nilly?
Also, as far as character variety goes when winning tournaments…
Step your shit up.
Top players aren’t some fucking gods, they are regular ass Joe Schmoes.
You make it sound like side tournaments with different rulesets have never existed. They have for well over a decade. Low-tier and ratio MvC2 has been around for years, to name just one.
DOTA and LOL have tons of side modes as well, and DOTA2 even has the fun atod reverse-draft tournament. But both of those games have a well-established tournament standard for the “serious” tournaments, and that standard is unlikely to change.
Ah, OK. All of a sudden we’re elitist, because we doubt your unrealistic ideas?
Soooo pay money to go to a random select tourney so I can get Hakan 1st and Dan 2nd… Ya I’m sure Id like to go to a lot of those…
I mean what are you really winning from a tourney like that anyway? “Yes! I beat Dieminion’s Makoto” who the fuck cares bruh… FOH
And you think its “stale” to see the same characters? shed your tears and go watch something else brobro.
Fighting games show off years of skill and dedication that a player has invested into a character or team, it sounds like you’re looking for some sort of luck based tourney.
There so much more to say but I’m hoping that I’m just being trolled before I keep typing.
I wish I could try new ideas and start a tournament. But I currently don’t have the capital to do so. But when I see other gaming communities with pools that have winning pots that are $100,000+ and even into the millions I see that their is room in the FGC to try new things. If you look at first person shooters, sports games, MOBA’s, RTS games. You can find tournaments that have huge payouts but none like that in the FGC, clearly something is holding it back. I’m just coming up with ideas on how to grow and draw in new people and actually like to hear the reactions when new ideas are brought up.
Might I add the random only idea was just one of my suggestions up top and what are your thoughts on being able to ban certain characters to try and create counters to the opponent before the match starts?
You mean the behaviour of a sensible adult? No little man, you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Go tell Wizard to change the way Evo is run, and see how quickly he’ll smack you for being a damn unrealistic fool.
Most of the Overpowered characters you talk about already have weaknesses and there’s very few God Tier characters in modern FGs nowadays. Also, one of the guys told you that good players either put up or shut up. If you have trouble with a particular character, you have to learn how to capitalise on their weaknesses instead of banning them.
No I mean the behavior of what gives the FGC a bad reputation even amongst other gamers and other gaming communities.
Don’t let a few apples spoil the whole bunch. Also, many people love to spread sensational rumours.
Then what do you think is holding back the FGC?
I see other gaming communities with pools that have winning pots that are $100,000+ and even into the millions I see that there is room in the FGC to try new things. If you look at first person shooters, sports games, MOBA’s, RTS games. You can find tournaments that have huge payouts but none like that in the FGC, clearly something is holding it back. I’m just coming up with ideas on how to grow and draw in new people and actually like to hear the reactions when new ideas are brought up. Something can be done to cause it to grow and I have another idea that I’ll mention soon.
Maybe because FGs have higher levels of move execution? It’s not like a PC game where you just click on a mouse all day.
You are a god damn fool. They have those huge payouts because there are MILLIONS of people who play those games and those games sell MILLIONS of copies. The Street Fighter 4 series collectively, the highest selling fighting game series this generation, has managed to sell about 5-6 million copies in its entire life span. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 sold 6.5 million copies in the first 24 hours it was released. There are 32 MILLION League of Legends players that are active every month, there’s probably 3 million people playing the game RIGHT NOW.
Fighting game tournaments don’t make as much money as other games do because fighting games don’t have ANYWHERE NEAR the number of players that other games do because fighting games are not anywhere near as popular to the casual market. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fighting game community, the games themselves are not as appealing to the casual player because you have to put in hundreds of hours to be anywhere near good at the games regardless of which game you’re playing, even Smash. Casuals don’t want to do that, they want to pick up a game and be able to win, that’s why there’s so many more players in other communities, that’s why other games make MILLIONS more than fighting games do, that’s why tournaments for other games ARE ACTUALLY CAPABLE of huge payouts.
It has nothing to do with what we’re doing. Hell, I’d be willing to bet there’s plenty of gamers that don’t even know we exist or that there are more fighting game tournaments than EVO. Gaming news sites had to report that Smash made it into EVO because no one would know or care otherwise.
tl;dr, if you think low payout fighting game tournaments have anything to do with the FGC or how we run tournaments, you’re dumb.
Nothing holding back a tournament scene that’s in its infancy. The FGC is new to “esports” by comparison to say, Halo or Counterstrike. Evo’s been around for a while, but it’s only been as big as it is since 2k8 or even 2k9. It’s a baby, and since the last time I was at Evo (2k7), the pot has more than tripled. IIRC, grand prize was like $5k max or something. I remember Japanese players were like, “winning just covers our travel costs”
Because playing top tier characters requires no skill. Theorizing about what works and what doesn’t naturally leads to skill being less of a factor.
Don’t try to criticize what you don’t understand.
I’m not talking just PC games and have you ever watched a Starcraft 2 match, it’s a game with huge payouts that takes a ton of skill to become a top-teir player and the executions they have to pull of are hard as hell.
Yes and clearly some games are easier to pick up and play but other games like I mentioned Starcraft require intense skill to master and also have huge payouts. Clearly there is room for innovation and new ideas to grow the FGC but you have to try and come up with some and test them to find what works and draws in new people. I’m just saying the numbers of Street Fighter sold are similar to Starcraft and even some sports titles but fighters clearly need someone or something done to draw in more people.
lol what?!
