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How is she not? She’s had no formal training.

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Demitri doesn’t have any of the Vampire weaknesses. Steaks, crosses, holy water, none of that works against him. Not even sunlight that he managed to cloak himself from. You all probably seen this already but it’s in Saiki’s DS Plot Guide under Demitri.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/game/583725.html

Though I’m not sure who would win between him and Slayer. For one thing, I know a lot more about Demitri than Slayer. And I don’t really know what exactly happens during Slayer’s Instant Kill. If he drops you into some other deminsion that’s a strong move right there.

And I would definitly call Sakura a prodigy. She learned the Hadouken just by watching Ryu do it, that’s pretty amazing. Kyo’s a prodigy too, but he was born/inherited his flames, Sakura didn’t.

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…Perhaps I was mistaken of Sakura.

-sano-

…Think about it, Kyo’s flames were meant to aid in the defeat of deity. How can Ryu survive No Style when it incinerated OROCHI(of all people) to ashes… ?
Kyo and Iori are also invincible whilst holding up their flames(So is Krizalid but not K’) much how Ryu is invincible in the midst of his Shoryuken. But get this, if Orochi can hit Ryu out of the invincibility frames of his Shoryuken(which he can) because he is more condesed in between the ethers then Kyo can do it as well. Know why… ? Because, in order to see Orochi you have to condesne yourself(or atleast your third eye or six sense) about 300,000, 000 MGH in between the ethers(where I speculate he dwells) and Kyo and Iori can do this NO PROBLEM. You forget, their main purpose in life is to aid in the defeat of a deity. They train to fight dieties, not humans. Kyo and Iori have more invincibility than Ryu.

It’s as if they fight but they are not there. See what I’m getting at… ? In fact, Kyo’s flames are transparent. They don’t even burn you as much as they seperate your soul from your shell, burn you out from the wheel of time(infinity), and incinerate your soul for an eternity. Kyo basically has an infinite amount of never ending magick attack with his flames. Even if Ryu could manage to pull out a win over Kyo he still could not get touched. NOT EVEN ONCE! Kyo’s flames incinerate gods and deities. It is like Goku doing his famous teleport Kamehameha to Cell and Nappa jumping in the way to try and save him. It just wouldn’t work.
Orochi’s magick defense > Ryu’s magick defense.

Iori on the other hand over powered a deity(Orochi) with the power of his mind alone. Orochi awakened the Riot of Blood within him and he over powered a DEITY with the power of his mind alone. Mental worth reasoning strength. In fact, that was Orochi’s last resort attack; to over power Iori’s mind, awaken the Riot of the Blood, and have Iori take out the whole team. But it didn’t work because the power of Iori’s mind over powered Orochi’s. It’s that hardcore Sephiroth guy mentality(insert Iori’s laugh here).

…and, re-read my post Orochi is the best, followed by(you didn’t respond to any of my points in the post)…

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…Adam Warlock with Infinity Gauntlet owns all.

(Hi RandomNigga!)

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I say Orochi and Thanos should have a bout at it…

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Looking at Guilty Gear characters, they are roughly higher than Street Fighter & King
of Fighters, but weaker than Darkstalkers.

In Guilty Gear, the top characters of power are, (And in no particular order)

-That Man
-Raven
-Sol Badguy (No Limiter)
-I-no
-Dizzy (Full power)
-Slayer

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hmm… Orochi was not reduced to ashes from what I gather… Iori held him off long enough to allow Kyo to do a Mushiki which gave Kagura the time to seal orochi complete… PLUS from what I make of the kof’97 ending Kyo and possibly Iori were being power boosted from the yasakani warriors of the past (the flames talkin to Kyo) (but your info on orochi seems quiet more detailed than me, can you state your source plz… and plz do not quote the HK comics coz the only official one among them has been KOF:KYO (and KOF 2002 where the official “DEATH” of eolith characters was announced))

and I think you have boosted kyo’s flames way too high, and Kyo and iori are definately not invincible while using their flames… if you are making the conjuncture from the autoguard properties of Kyo’s firefists then it bears repeating that Kyo DOES take chip damage during the moves so the flames reduce damage but do not render the user invincible (unless we count the Orochi nagi SDM which does provide invincibility but only at the upper body)… and are kyo’s flames transparent?? (gomene if I sounded rude…) Oh yeah, OROCHI activated Iori’s blood riot but Iori was able to over-power it (and at time his flame glowed crimson for the first time…) and I repeat OROCHI was UNWILLING to release his full power at that fight…

anyway, it seems Ash is way stronger than the 3 divine weapons… (where am I getting at?? Play KOF XI and check out Kyo-iori team and Benimaru/Rivals team ending…)

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…What’s a limiter(in the GG storyline)?

No, their powers weren’t boosted. The warriors of the past just told Kyo to correct the 666 year old error(the Yagami fusing their blood with the Orochi)

I am my own source. I’m just stating what I see in the games using logic and pin point accuracy. Orochi is hidden in between the ethers(why he glows in and out to you and me) just as Gill is. In mythology, Atlantis is always hidden in between the ethers(MGHs? I’m not sure)

Not necessarily, Kyo’s flames are as potent as I said. And as far as invincibility goes they only have it when they manifest the true aura of their flames(before the Orochinagi, for instance). …And the half body thing is just for gameplay reasons, their whole body is what’s invincible. No, I wasn’t talking about Kyo’s auto-block.

Yes, Neo Rasa states so somewhere in the KOF storyline thread.When Kyo and Iori use the manifested version of their flames(before the Orochinagi, for instance) it’s almost as if their body is not even there. Everything takes place in between the dimensions.

I’m not so sure about Ash Crimson. I know that his flames represent Earth. He also doesn’t seem to have the ability to manifest as invincible Kyo and Iori-esque.

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We The People…

In mythology That Man(called The Man) is the head of a 12 member senate of of which he is the 13th member(and has the highest rank). You can find references of Illuminati based groups concerning characters of his type in anime such as Neon Genesis and video games such as Xenogears and Metal Gear SOL(The Patriots). In mythology he is immortal, has the highest rank of anyone, anywhere in existence, and is omnipotent.

For all intents and purposes I believe That man to be Slayer in disguise(playing everyone for the fool).

Eye of the Beholder = The Man’s symbol

You can see this symbol on Venom’s tension move(and I think we all know who Venom works for)

So yeah, I speculate that The Man is really Slayer in disguise. Not that he can act as the true The Man. No, no, no… He is a fake The Man. Meaning he can act as The Man but is not really him. So perhaps Slayer is trying to achive The Man’s position. Hmm, seems likely. He also uses nanomachines. It’s supposed to be where you can’t tell if he is using his immortality or his nanomachines to reknit his flesh(the famous We The People fall / why Slayer is the only person in the game who doesn’t die when his hit points reach zero). It’s ambiguity. …Just like his hate bite. European Illuminati members are typically seen as possessing an immense amount of hate for the human race(Slayer is of this breed). …But the difference between Slayer and your typical illuminati member is that Slayer is also a vampire. So it’s supossed to a ploy to guise himself where you aren’t able to tell if he is hate biting your or sucking your blood. Just like the name of his song Haven’t you got eyes in your head. Now obviously it is a cut short version of the phrase Haven’t you got eyes in the back of your head.

Meaning = Slayer is tripping everybody up(like what he said to ky in the GG storyline mode)

Here’s another thing that I suspect about Slayer. I suspect that he is always holding back. Him and Sol both. It’s a single theme of the game(holding back). Meaning, no matter how much effort Sol or Slayer put out they are still always holding back. Meaning, if you fought Slayer at his max potential he’d still be holding back. Weird huh… ? Well, it is a theory that I speculate. …But the question remains, how can they do it… ? Well, it’s quite simple actually. I suspect that Slayer is omniscient(omnipotent and omniscient makes for god tier status) and that Sol-Badguy is 150 years(Slayer is older than this) old at lvl. 99 with an infinite amount of never ending RPG experience. So basically, Sol is at lvl 99 with infinite
9s of experience and Slayer is omniscient. Sol-Badguy(an RPG name along with the Fire Seal) and his experience are the fanboyish statements that Daisuke wanted in his game. So perhaps he sees himself as a Role Player(he did say that he designed Sol as himself).

Even with that I still say that Kyo can take on Sol-Badguy. Why… ? Because even with infinite 9s of experience Orochi still > Sol.

So here’s my new guideline

0 Normal / Person to Person
0 Hinako
1
2
3
4
5

1 Peak /
0
1
2
3
4
5 (source max)

2 2nd base / Planetery /
0 Ryu
1
2
3
4
5 Akuma

3 3rd base / Galactical /
0
1
2
3
4
5 K’9999’s 3rd form(Akuma could still probably take out K’9999 seing as how K’9999 can’t stay in his 3rd form for an infinite amount of time)

4 4th base / Universal / Gods
0 Slayer(holding back)
1
2
3
4
5 Orochi(holding back)

5 5th base / Multiversial / Deities
0
1
2
3
4
5

…Just put a couple of names down their to give people a general idea of how things work

Oh yeah, In my original ranking I forgot to put The Man down and counted Slayer as him.

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You kidding? Orochi is a messenger of God; Thanos w/Gauntlet is God.

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is not that familiar with Thanos…

Explain his abilities… I’ve already explained most of Orochi’s.

Orochi is the embodiment of Ki. Meaning, he can take out Super Saiyan 4 Goku with one kick to the shins(by putting his ki level over his), cut of Vegeta’s summoning of ki(because in essense they all summon their ki from him) and psychically predict all of Gohan’s attacks. Orochi exists in the minds of all humans and people, he can do it(for any of you wanting a source play '97). That’s basically half of the best of DBZ’s cast right there. Orochi can also perform any ki technique he wants, be it Burn Knuckle or Kamehameha. He also cannot be harmed by anyone but the Shingi Troica. Okay, put it like this: It’s not that Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru are the only ones who can harm him as much as it is that they are the only people with moves that are as condensed in between the ethers as their moves are enough to stagger him(No Style is the strongest technique in the KOF universewell, next to Orochi’s The Bright Light and all it really does is stagger Orochi / imagine what It’d do to someone who’s magick defense was not as high as Orochi’s) Orochi is also hidden some 3 million megahertz in between the ethers meaning that Thanos would not be able see or harm him(but Orochi would be able to harm him by upping his ki level to what ever he wants it to be).

Oh yeah, Orochi is a deity, not a god(according to my list atleast).

edit: (Just went of in search of Thanos info)

Hah, I guess he’s omnipotent as well…

…Yeah, Orochi is also incapable of error as well

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Keep Yourself Alive!

Yeah, well, anyways as we all know Sol’ favorite band is Queen and that Guilty Gear is basically wholy based off of metal lyrics(Queen lyrics as well) Here’s what I think the song Keep Yourself Alive means:

Keep Yourself Alive

I was told a million times of all the troubles in my way,
tried to grow a little wiser, little better every day(Sol tried to get a little better, a little wiser everyday).
But if I crossed a million rivers, and I rode a million miles,
then I’d still be where I started, bread and butter for a smile(No matter how strong you get there will always be someone stronger. Life is tethered reality. Doesn’t matter what you do because we all die in the endKeep Yourself Alive/Why Sol’s 15o years old and counting/hey, he’s keeping himself alive through all the strife).
Well, I sold a million mirrors in a shop in alley way
but I never saw my face in any window any day.(He has to hide his true intentions and the fact that he’s truly a gear from everyone / no one appreciates what he does but he still lives on regardless)
Well, they say your folks are telling you "be a superstar,"
but I tell you just be satisfied and stay right where you are(Once again it doesn’t matter what you do so STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE).
Keep yourself alive, keep yourself alive, take you all your time and money(to please That Man), honey you’ll survive.

Well I loved a million women in a belladonic haze
and I ate a million dinners brought to me on silver trays.(Sol’s about 150 years old and has done 1 million things)
Give me everything I need to feed my body and my soul,
well, I’ll grow a little bigger, maybe that can be my goal.
I was told a million times of all the people in my way
how I had to keep on trying and get better every day.
But if I crossed a million rivers and I road a million miles,
then I’d still be where I started, same as when I started(**doesn’t matter what you do).**Keep yourself alive, c’mon keep yourself alive,
take you all your time and money, honey you’ll survive.

Keep yourself alive, keep yourself alive,
take you all your time and a money to keep me satisfied(To Keep That Man satisfied).
Do you think you’re better every day? No, I just think I’m two steps nearer to my grave.(Yet again, it doesn’t matter what you do you’re just two steps nearer to your grave/what’s the point in life everyone? To find whatever means necessary to keep yourself alive/birthdays =deathdays …just celebreating how closer you are TO YOUR DEATH)
Keep yourself alive, c’mon keep yourself alive,
you take your time and take more money, keep yourself alive(to keep him satistied).
Keep yourself alive, c’mon keep yourself alive, all you people keep yourself alive.
Keep yourself alive, keep yourself alive,
take you all your time and a money to keep me satisfied(To Keep That Man satisfied).
Keep yourself alive, keep yourself alive, all you people keep yourself alive.
Take you all your time and money, honey, you will survive(to keep That Manwho in turn is The Man as well/the true illuminati memberoccupied).

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99% of this is just bullshit you made up, because there have been no inferences at all in KOF canon that Orochi can do any of that.

Thanos, canonically, wiped out half the known universe in an instant. The combined efforts of every single hero of the other half distracted him long enough for him to lose the Infinity Gauntlet. As powerful as Orochi is/was, the fact remains that his goal at best was to take out Earth… which he failed at when he was defeated at the hands of three mortals.

You really can’t throw terms like omipotent and all-powerful on Orochi for that last reason. If he was any of those things, he would have either avoided those three altogether or killed them by infallible indirect means(car crash, falling building, ‘LOL DESTROY PLANET FROM OUTER SPACE’).

Thanos would break Orochi’s Fruit of the Loom ass under his enormous, bulbous, Infinity-Gauntlet enhanced cock.

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insert Iori laugh here

Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmmm…

Heh, heh, heh, heh…

RAAAAAH, HAH, HAH, HAH, HAH!!! covers his face and begins to laughat the above post

Chizuru seals his techniques, then while his techniques are sealed Iori holds him in place, and then while he is held in place Kyo blasts him with No Style(then Chizuru makes the seal). Orochi is a god(who was holding back I might add) and the Shingi Troica/Sacret Treasures is GOD CALIBER. Do you even have any idea of what the Kusanagi flames do(even though I’ve already outlined everything in this thread)?

OROCHI WAS SENT TO TEST HUMANITY. KYO, IORI, AND CHIZURU JUST DECIDED TO TAKE UP THE TEST!

read:
“The battle ends… Thanks to our heroes, the world is safe again. Right? Wrong? No one can say. But as long as humans rule the world… The orochi awakening is not so far away… Is humankind to late to avoid destruction? When the ambitions of many drive the world to destruction… To stop this, the Orochi exist. The Orochi… God’s messanger? Perhaps… Maybe humankind is at fault. Human kind. Ambtious. Cruel. Resilient. But it cannot be forgotten… The real enemy is not Orochi. Humankind’s real enemy? We’ve seen the enemy, and it is us….”

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof97spsup.htm

Orochi is not even the enemy. He did not even want to **destroy the earth **or kill Kyo. The human plague is the enemy and Orochi wants them to get the lesson plan.

…And I already outlined what the Kusanagi flames do in another post. Find it and read it…

…As far as I’m concered the 3 Sacred Treasures can take out Thanos.

…And of course Orochi can do all of the things that I outlined above. Have you even read the before Orochi fight text in King of Fighters 1997? There, Orochi specifically states that he exists in the minds of all people. THAT INCLUDES THANOS’ MIND

Thanos has ki himself(his mind) He cannot exist without his mind, right? Then he cannot exist without his ki. Orochi can cut off his lifeforces connection. Duh man, your lifeforce **IS **your ki!
Come on now, what are you thinking… ?

Orochi is a deity. A deity is an entity that is adjoining on all peoples. Another example of a deity would be Gaea/Gaia, Orochi’s wife in mythology. She’s adjoining on all people as the form of lifestream(What Final Fantasy 7 was about)

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How do we know Thanos uses Ki in the same way humans do? Just curious. And by minds of people, does Orochi mean Humans only?

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Wow, this is why mods don’t allow vs. threads…

Susano-o, just except that people have different opinions on these fictional battles and move along. Instead of any kind of Capcom vs. SNK debate, this is turning more into the entire fan fiction forum vs. Susano-o. Well, it’s kind of funny no offense. :rofl:

Well, to honor my promise, this was posted by Lantis here at SRK on 8/16/02, back when vs. threads were allowed. I feel he can be more objective on the entire Ryu/Kyo matter than either of us can. This will probably be my last post on this thread,(though I’m a big geek, that will probably be a lie… :rofl:) especially if you are going to argue Thanos with Infinity Gautlets vs. Orochi… Thanos can control reality, he says Orochi doesn’t exist, Orochi no longer exists, the fight ends. That IMHO doesn’t need any further discussion. Anyway, posted by Lantis -

"Technincally speaking, let me say this:

Ryu will defeat Kyo, but not without a tough hassle.

Why do I say this? Allow me to further my explanation. Ryu is obviously older and more seasoned than Kyo. All that Ryu has known since he was a child was to fight and to be the best. Kyo was also induced in the ways of martial arts by his parents, but Kyo took a more carefree insight on the whole matter. Kyo wasn’t too self-centered until KOF '99. Ryu has more concentration and focus on the fight. He will analyze his opponent’s moves and react accordingly. Like I said, Kyo may be one cocky mutha, but he has shed a bit of that from his mind lately. Maybe the whole Orochi incident made him more self aware.

Although Kyo possesses legendary power, it’s probably nothing Ryu hasn’t seen before (Satsui No Hado, Psycho Power). I say it’s closer than ever, but Ryu might manage to pull it through."

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Susane-O plz continue with your speculation… I am finding it quiet humorous…:sweat: :xeye:

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All entities have ki(exept for A.I like Mega Man)

…Come on man, post more. I’m curious about your insights on Ryu and the rest of the SF cast.

How exactly does that work… ?

…I wonder what Lantis would say after reading this whole thread, though. Why doesn’t someone contact him… ?

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“…Come on man, post more. I’m curious about your insights on Ryu and the rest of the SF cast.”

Boredom is a trip, lollerskates.

“How exactly does that work… ?”

With the Infinity Gauntlet he can reshape events and anything however he so wishes it. Thanos’ greatest weakness is himself. He will usually set up the own events of his defeat in motion, a friend of mine explained this a lot better but it has to do with him being in love with Death, it’s kind of a defeatest purpose, I’m not sure how exactly to word this. Death wants nothing to do with him but she has a thing for Deadpool of all people, perhaps Thanos should learn to tell jokes… I suppose Thanos might wipe out Orochi if he thought it would be in Death’s favor or not(of course either way he still wouldn’t please Death regardless.) But if somehow Orochi opposed him their wouldn’t be a fight, at all really. And yeah, Thanos could just use his Reality altering powers to make Death love her but he doesn’t want to, he wants to earn her love…

“…I wonder what Lantis would say after reading this whole thread, though. Why doesn’t someone contact him… ?”

Maybe after he gets done with his work on the Battle Poll, that’s a lot more important and he’s super busy with that right now with that, kind of don’t want to bug him about another vs. thing when he’s dealing with that, the ultimate SRK vs. fight and all.

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…I seriously doubt that Thanos would even be able to see Orochi with him being condesned in between the ethers and such(outlined more in depth in previous posts). …Can’t harm what you can’t find or see(but he could surely harm him). Kyo, Iori, and Chizuru are basically the only people who are able to see him.