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All I know is Clown vs Mars/Ryoko is free usually for clown like 9-1. Mars especially because he has probs vs fireball characters to begin with. Unless he plays real patient and gets in somehow, but it’s still a pretty bad match. Ryoko has some ways to get around Clown’s projetile but it’s still pretty one sided. Clown’s worst match ups are probably Mizo and Zazie mainly. Both those characters have huge combos and one dizzy is usually death for Clown. It’s bad enough he has a bad dizzy spot. If Clown plays his cards right (no joke intended) he can win but it’s still really hard overall. You have to pretty much pick the right normals to use and play a strong keep away. It’s a bad idea trying to go offensive on them because they have good AA options. Karnov is probably another character to give Clown some probs since he can easily avoid projectiles with balloon. Ray can be also but I think the match is 5 - 5 if Clown plays it smart.

Lee is kinda hard to AA since his normals tend to beat out Clown’s most of the time. The unblockable elbow from P1 doesn’t work on Clown since he can duck it to block. There is so much to write about for VS each character. I would take a while to compile everyone’s experience VS each charracter. Not to mention everyone uses characters different so things might change depending on the players experience and knowing what beats what. I’ll see if I can do a more in depth write up with some of Clown’s strong and weak points VS each character.

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Yea see lets get some discussion going or… something.

Let me do a quick run down of what I think some of the other matchs for mizo might be imo.

I think his worst matchs are probably jean and zazzie.

Id say there both 6.5~7 in there favor. They both feel like they should be unwinnable for mizo. That one japanese list actually has mizo beating jean. But thats lost on me unless someone can give me a good reason. Not sure how to explain but although I feel like jean is worse for mizo then zazzie, but zazzies cheapness would lean me more towards giving him a 7 instead of jean if I had to choose. Im really not sure if there is any realistic strategy to beat zazzie other then randomness, and trying to abuse the game system vs him. I just think there is no legitimate way out of his stuff once you are in the corner other then him fucking up. The only particular thing I think to add on the zazzie match up is that blue shoryuken does hit zazzie ducking for a knock down.

matlock
Ill say tentatively(or perhaps forever unless this game has a revival)6-4. Could be worse. But honestly as with a lot characters BBH is the best matlock ive played that I can think of. So I dunno if theres any good people that main him to say, that ive played.

ryoko, chinese girl, mas I think are all probably around 6-6.5 in mizos favor. Ryoko maybe worst of the bunch. But for some reason I have a hard time thinking its worse then clown so…

yummy
Ive won this match up a lot as well. But for some reason I dont think its that bad… so maybe 5~5. She also can get out of the instant kill type combos unless you do them perfectly which, well having no chance to win a match up after a dizzy to having another chance is important I think of course.

Karnov…
Id say karnov beats mizo 6-4… But again thats really just more ease of use I think. I actaully think its probably mizos best top tier match up, as mizos combos do a lot on him so… It might be worse, but ive honestly only played maybe one japanese dude who ive ever seen was able to do the infinite with karnov. So…

samchay…
5.5~6 in mizos favor. Japanese have samchay winning. But mizo hits samchay pretty hard, and samchay does not block cross ups well, and samchay is one of the biggest characters in the game and eats a lot of combos. I can only imagine reason for japanese saying mizo wins is… Well… samchay doesnt seem very ummm skillful to say… haha Theres not much you do with him. Again ease of use factor I guess. His fireball does hit high like jean, which has a good rate of hitting your dizzy spot though.

Anyway umm yea I think thats everyone. Just imo of course… And of course I think one problem is that a lot of the “random” characters the best people ive played with them are random select dudes bbh, and noc. So I might have diff opinion if there was a specialist sorta dude. So yea there you go. Ratings my change a bit I think as again im a bit beliver in ease of use factor. And I think mizo if you cant hit his big combos, always getting those links etc he goes from being high mid tier to, bottom mid tier pretty easily. I think with out being able to get all those links and maximizing your damage he really extenuates(is that the right word? lol)the sorta line the game walks of… being either deceptively deep game, or very scrubby. Where you just have to hope on lots of fast, multi hitting moves, and hopefully you land dizzys. But in general I think when it comes to regular type stuff mizo is pretty bad.

Oh also note japanese say mizo vs clown is 5-5. But I guess that must be from the thought of when match starts clown is at advantage since its hard for mizo to get in. shrug

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i think that ray vs clown is not 5-5 because at the end of the day what can clown do to ray? he cant ever get in or win a fireball game. i think that jean vs clown is very bad for clown as well noc i think u would agree that jean has an answer for everything clown does and does everything clown can equally well

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Well Ray has the easier specials he can use on reaction but I think Clown can hang with him. Main thing is to bait the wheel kick making them think you are going to fireball. Only fireball when you know wheel kick wont hit. I haven’t really played a Ray that gave me problems when I used Clown so maybe I need to play more Ray’s. Jean yea I would say it’s pretty hard for Clown. He has answers for all of Clown’s attacks even his jump ins are pretty good and beat out Clown’s normal AAs. Not to mention he has the fast hands which do a ton of damage if they hit right and on Clown that is bad.

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I’ve decided to not publish the videos on my youtube, so much bad stuff going on. I fucking hate running shit on laptops/computers. Next Evo I’m going to be saving up for a Neo Geo supergun and run it off that.

Anyways for Mars discussion for what I know:

Mars can win the round at any time as long as he gets one Double German off and starts doing his bullshit. Once he fucks up by getting too far (fireball pushback, getting knocked down opp dashing back, etc)

Ray: This is a very pointless match, mars can’t do anything ray can play simple fireball/wheel kick game, but has to space his wheel kick properly or Mars can start doing stuff in Ray’s face. It’s best for Ray to dash back whenever possible.

Feilin: This is kind of weird. Mars can jump over the fireballs and if timed right can beat st.hp with his down hk. With the knockdown you can start doing mixups into throw. Learning the timing to the jump over fireball is essential.

Jean: This is another dumb match. Fireball and st/cr hp is all that’s needed to beat Mars. Although a good thing is I don’t think mash punch can dizzy standing/crouching Mars.

Ryoko: This should be REALLY easy for Mars, but I personally get gimmicked out easily by Ryoko stuff because I’m dumb. Sweep cancel is good versus Ryoko into whatever to get in.

Clown: This is fucking dumb as shit, and you might as well just quit. I don’t have any advice for anyone in this matchup other than pray he fucks up.

Mizoguchi: If Mizoguchi starts up his crap first before you can land some luck hits in and they can do Mizo combos it’s free. Good thing: The combos can’t stun Mars, so get in first try to bait his dp and punish him for it.

528

That’s a lot of good info guys. :tup:
Wish I could help, but my experience is very limited still.

529

Someone play me in a1. Karnovs is old now. A1 is now new.

530

Just pick Guy or Akuma :smile:

531

ken and akuma are better then guy! Lets play!

Also actaully the rom that is on ggpo is strange. Guys normal dizzy combos dont work, nor do ryus. It is a strange version of the game whatever the case.

532

its just a sign from the powers that be, dont two-time karnov

people should come up with a “When im usually on” schedule im tired of not playing anyone =[
noc i know ur not doin shit >={ get at me 0=} pease

533

Might be because it’s the Euro version maybe. Then again I haven’t tried it so I could be wrong.

I’m at school right now :(. Maybe later tonight if you are on. When are you usually on?

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Yea might be dunno… Ill I know is, I know in later verisons of the game, guy did not have his dizzy combos. However I have never seen a game where ryu did not do the same dizzy. So its confusing. Auto mode is also off by default(dont get me wrong is it… questionable to play it in the first place cheapness wise)the game feels slower then it should yet, if you go to dip switch settings setting it faster then it is, its then to fast. The game also drops many inputs for some reason. I know there is lag online, but when ive played it just seems to be happning a bit to frequently… Damage also seems higher then normal. Perhaps theres a dip switch setting for it thats turned on somewhere? I know hyper alpha a1 turned down the randomness on akuma so…

Anyway yea karnov remix! Someone tell me how to make mugen game I make it! I have lots of nerdy ideas!

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im usually on 6-9PST

536

lol

I’d play on GGPO more if it didn’t constantly disconnect me when I’m in the FHD room. I have to keep manually refreshing GGPO to make sure it doesn’t disconnect me. I can still play out a match but can’t use chat at all if that happens, and I get the null bug all the fuckin time so nobody can spec

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karnovs worth the annoyance I M O =D

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ya final showdown i think the europe a1 is different. the euro is the one i know where charlie can do his low forward into the sonic boom, can never do that shit on the Us one

539

Oh its ok I realized what it was… I was missing a duck short in the ryu thing… And then of course I realized that GGPO plays the game very poorly for some reason.

540

Come on back Noc, lemme get in that ass.

541

I’m sure you do :smile:

542

XD sado stop dropin