dont try to AA and u will get dizzy less =} imo
I would say more like dont AA as much with normals unless you know it will beat it clean and not trade. If itās a risky special though just make sure you land it or die.
mizoguchi best manā¦
Must get moreā¦ conversationā¦
So yea anymore random points/niches about the game? Some characters(maybe all or at least to some extent)get dizzy faster IF the combo to there week spot is not done durning a combo. A easy example would be something like vs clown, stand jabX3. Normally this will not dizzy. However if you do it slow, it will dizzy. Theres also some other random factors that attribute to dizzy that im not really sure ofā¦ Ive seen mizoguchis axe kick out right dizzy people with high dizzys before the first hit. Where as other times, it doesntā¦
Also some times damage goes down so low from the damage buffer it just doesnt do anything at all. Or at least to the naked eye, ive seen pretty regularly mizoguchis axe kick the second hit not doing any damage at all.
It also seems that that depending on when a move hits it overrides the hit before it. So if you dont hit at the same time and you do a powerfull move, and then a weak move(and fast of course I mean), you wont get the damage from the big move only damage from a little move. Easiest example to try is something like mizoguchis big fireball, one big powerfull hit, but its possible to just cut that damage off and get the move after. Only thing I can think of comparing it to is some bugs in GGXX with the guard meter/tech buffer.
Also mizoguchis big fireball seems to do pretty random damage in general. Maybe theres something like it with jeans hundread hand bitch slap thing? I know vs most characters it seems to do 35% damage or so. But if you have gotten a character dizzy(and the fireball doesnt even have to necessarily aim for there weak spot either)and then do it, certain characters take a full 50% life from it for no reason at all that I can see.
Also can anyone confirm if air to airing a opponent then wiff air special, meaty attack is unblockable or not? I dont really have another person at the ready, and theres no training mode for the game so its hard to test.
Does anyone know exactly how much longer the stun is on hit, then block. Its obviously pretty substational.
For that matter is there just a japanese wiki period for the game that anyone knows of that I can read to see if it has any random bugs?
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Anyway mizoguchi worst guy in the game!
Mizo isnāt so bad at least not like Ryoko bad. I dont think the air to air then whiff special to meaty normal thing makes them unblockable. If you want we can test it out more but Iām sure itās blockable.
Having your stun spot mid body or low = incredibly easy stun. Iād say having it on the head is the best spot youād want it to be in a game where 90% of the moves hit mid or low. How can it be worse for Zazie than Ray? Being standing changes alot of things for Zazie(lots of combos stun you if you are crouching but not while you are standing) whereas if you do a stun combo on Ray, standing or crouching, he is DONE. I do agree on the ābig targetā point when Zazie is stunned, but once again, he can āmodifyā the combos damages by standing. And Zazie is top notch in finishing the round after a dizzy seeing that he can hit the opponentās weak point at least 3 times in his finisher combo. And stand lk into dash hellfire is one hell of an annoying poke(and itās safe if done well).
Well Ray is n1, but Karnov? The n2 is up for debate. I would think that Karnov is the worse of the tops but by a pretty close margin.
Damage is never random in this game.
Mizoguchiās super fireball doing more damage after dizzy is because any attacks that hit a personās weak spot after dizzy do 50% more damage. That is a lot of extra damage in Mizoguchiās case if it hits someone like Jean after dizzy. Thatās all there is to it. (this is mentioned on the SRK wiki!)
I have no idea what youāre talking about. There are some situations in which you can make an attack ācrossupā an opponent, but all they have to do is block the other way, thereās no true unblockable bugsā¦ at least Iām guessing thatās what youāre referring toā¦
Haha. Mizoguchiās like 6th best in the game IMO.
Threadās second page:
Karnov is 5th, right after Yung Mie, according to the chart. Funnily enough, Ox is rated higher than Ryoko and Marstorius.
sighā¦ Misinformation!
Karnov is definitely not #2.
Yungmie is bottom mid.
The information in here and on this wiki is very accurate. You should probably peep around. Thereās plenty of fun stuff.
That Japanese tier list is pretty garbage (Iād go as far as to say America > Japan at this game), we should probably be looking at this one.
SSS: Ray
SS: Jean Zazie Lee
S: Karnov
A: Mizoguchi Samchay Clown
B: Matlok Yungmie Marstorius
C: Feilin
D: Ryoko
A lot of discoveries have been made since the second page. I can clarify any of those placings in the tiers if you need.
Thanks. I actually read the entire thread once, but that was two months ago, so I donāt remember most of itā¦ 
Butā¦ Are you sure about Yung Mie? She seems pretty solid to me.
Everyone needs to come back on GGPO then to get some games again 
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Wait, seriously? Karnov is that low? afjsdngsjngsdgds I thought he was 2ndā¦
Anyways, when are you running the online tourney?
el_diabloā¦
Im defiantly going to have to disagree. Head is waaaaay worse then stomach. Also zazzies is higher then ray. Ray can duck and get out of a lot of combos. I dunno I guess I only play mizoguchi and maybe ryoko sometimes. Anyway I would say worst spots are mastrouis, then head spots(clown, mizoguchi, matlock, ryoko),then upper body(zazzie, karnov), then stomach(ray), then maybe something in the order of korean girl, lee, and then maybe jean as the best. I dunno where to put fei lin since its her stomach but shes so small everything just seems to hit it anyway so lolā¦ Samchay also seems to eat a lot of stuff as well soā¦ Dunno about those 2 I guess.
Lord BBHā¦
Are you sure theres nothing random. Just yesterday me and nocturnal were playing, he was jean and I was ryoko, I had MAYBE 25% life left. He got me dizzy, I held down just because I figured I was dead he did hard attack to hundread bitch slap move it did like no damage. I wasnt even aware I was still alive and he slapped me a couple more times, only did block damage. I was even slapped ANOTHER time, and it did block damage. I somehow went on to win the match. Since the game decided to screw him. Obviously I know theres the dizzy factor of hitting there spot to do more damage but this is diff. There are some instances ive seen where something is up.
Portland_Dramaā¦
What do other people think? Is America better at this game? Or at least a higher level then youd think to say? I can only say from my own experience but but I havnt seen many āgoodā Japanese videos. To be baised going at least mizoguchi wise since thats basically the only guy I play ive never even seen the Japanese do the instant kill combo in real matchs that I do, untill pignutz and nocturnal showed me one Japanese guy online that could. So even I myself when I read these tier lists im not sure how to take it cuz all the mizoguchi matchs I see from tournamnets never hit those combos. Shrug I dunno maybe all the good players that can hit them dont play him in real tournies or something?
Also who is even considerd good in the US period? From what ive seen its me, pignutz nocturnal and krost are all the best people ive played. And thats including the japanese etc. Then again granted it is online so it only means so much shrugā¦
Anyway more people need to sign on and put me in my place so umm yeaā¦
Well itās kinda silly to say US > Japan just based on GGPO, as there are a lot of great Japanese players in the Mikado videos and elsewhere.
Yes. Like I said, damage is never random, it always consistently does the same amounts.
The deal with Jean and Zazieās ABCD punches are that thereās a total of (I think) 4 different attacks done during that move, but only the last hit is the one that does the insane damage. If you get hit by one of the previous hits that does less damage, youāll usually get pushed back and the last hit misses and wonāt do huge damage. This could depend on the character itās being done against, whether theyāre standing or crouching, and when exactly Jean/Zazie buffers the ABCD. It might be hard to always consistently hit with the last hit because of those varying factors, but the damage it deals for each hit is consistent and never changes.
The only person Iāve played against that had a winning record against me was laugh, so I think Iām pretty good.
come on line and put me in my place lets go! ggpo or 2df
Lord BBH is a god in FHD, please believe.
thats fine then ill just use him as practice. Now hurry up I got doctors in the morning I cant stay up late. Lets go!
You guys should join #srksnk.
shrug wellā¦ i dont care about games enough to go to a chat room soā¦ shrug
Anyway you fools need to stop running from me. This mad cow gay bogus shit.
Also I was reading some japanese stuff, and they were hyping bbh and pignutz up. So yea get online more.
Itās much easier to coordinate matches with someone on IRC if theyāre not on GGPO. I didnāt see your other posts a few days ago in time because I donāt check this forum all that much, so I didnāt know you wanted to play. If someone yells at me on IRC Iām more likely to see that than a forum post!
Also I donāt really idle on GGPO at all because for some reason I always get disconnected after a 10 minutes or so whenever Iām the FHD room. But it doesnāt tell me Iām disconnected, rather nothing updates in the client and I donāt know Iām disconnected at first and I have to manually close it and re-sign on. It even happens when Iām playing, itāll lock up the client when Iām in a game so I canāt see any chat updates and stuff, and then itāll say Iām not playing even though I am still in a game. I donāt know why it happens but thatās why Iām not on GGPO much, I havenāt played it that much lately in general.
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ggs bbhā¦
ok now he is added to best people I have played online in the game then. So yea get on!