One at the back of J.Boogiez (Took that shit out a couple of years ago) and one on flatbush near Clarenden somewhere. That one closed down sometime in 03-05. Can’t remember.
EDIT: Fucking SADIES ARCADE was the name.
I also can’t count the last few years as very good. Sure the scene itself is the strongest since the Arcade days, but the games are scrubby and so is a large percentage of the scene.
But 2003-2004 I would have to count as by far the worst, and it was the period when I actually started to get seriously involved with the scene and improve myself:
–Capcom stops making FGs, except for Capcom Fighting Jam, which is the FG equivalent of a stale turd
–Anime game scene is undeveloped still except for GG which is still broken and nobody in America really knows how to play yet outside of Marn and other Texas arcade players
–VF4 Evo released, and completely ignored by the USA
–Arcades closing en masse, and many tournament games still don’t have a decent console port. Most console tournaments primarily rely on the DREAMCAST, and a decent DC converter was worth its weight in gold. Seriously, at just about every tournament, half the DC converters provided by TOs would end up getting stolen.
–Tekken Tag dying, T4 leaves bad taste in Tekken scene’s mouth. Enjoy all Jin Top 8.
–Marvel scene getting pretty stale
–CvS2 scene getting REALLY stale, at this point its popularity as a “main event” game rapidly drops off for good.
–Alpha 3 already dead
–3S still undeveloped in most parts of the US
–SNK resurrected, but on the backs of semi-unplayable garbage like SvC Chaos and Rage of the Dragons
It was obsolete. Man argument could be made for Duc Do’s 2005 win. People believe that many people were new school and never dealth with a Spiral/Sentinel at that level. I know Yipes lost to it because he totally didn’t know how to fight against it. Guys like Jwong and Sanford who had been around so long were pretty much straight on it at this point
It wasn’t just 2 years. He won Evo 2002 all the way to 2004, but he also won B5 and B4 before that. He was also winning pretty much every other major at the time like ECCs and MWC. Justin Wong dominated the game for nearly 5 years, pretty much winning every major and taking every tournament he went to. I mean people complain if someone wins every tournament for a game that’s 6 months old. Imagine what would happen if a game was 5 years old and every major and every Evo it’s the same guy.
I mean now it doesn’t seem like such a big deal relatively speaking because Marvel is 10+ years old, so on that scale Justin Wong’s performance didn’t seem taht dominant. However at the time the game was getting stale. I think had Jwong won Evo 2005, I think people would have lost interest. I personally think Jwong finally losing re-ignited the scene by a lot. It was just the kick in the ass players needed. I mean people were starting to give up by 2004 and just playing for second place. If that doesn’t tell you a game is in trouble I don’t know what does.
ok if you believe that spiral teams are weak against msp you know nothing about marvel 2
He is obviously is speaking about the time. THE TIME. 2000-2004.
When did I say that? Spiral teams are weak against Santhrax, and this is fact. MSP would need to alter it’s approach slightly, but it’s hardly a bad matchup for them either. The only reason why Duc Do weasled his way to the championship is because there were a lot of new marvel players in 2005 (Yipes was pretty new to the game at this time) and pretty much no one knew how to fight against her anymore. And he seemed to have avoided the OGs who knew how to. The team was washed up by 2005. I love Spiral/Sentinel, but the team can’t survive in modern Marvel
In terms of really good deep fighting games that require skill and not cheap crutches, 2011 is a really sucky year. Street Fighter 2, in what should be a celebration of its 20th anniversary, will have no representation at EVO thanks to David Sirlin and his ego splitting the community. This is also the year that Capcom basically told fans of actually good fighting games to go fuck off. Super Scrub Fighter 4: Yun Edition and Marvel 3 are nothing more than cash grabs aimed at the casual market as evidenced by poor gameplay design choices. Mortal Kombat tried to be a contender as a actual tournament game but showed it still doesn’t have what it takes. If it wasn’t for the re-release of Tekken Tag and KOF 13, I wouldn’t buy another fighter this year.
I think you’re just salty.
I think you are just some poser using the term salty. Boy.
I’m tired of some of the elitest comments in this thread. I can understand the complaint from those who play games that aren’t commonly played in the community. However to get someone to play your game, you have to market it to people. I personally do not like games like Arcana Heart, so they can’t be marketed towards me. But next time you’re playing SSFIV with your friends and they complain about turtling and keepaway, or just need to hit buttons, go ahead and suggest the game to them. that is what get people playing. Is Arcana Heart ever going to have as big of stage as Street Fighter? PRobably not, but this doesn’t meant the scene is in bad share because of it. Because whether we’re talking about 1992, 2002, 2011 or whenever, Street Fighter will always dominate numbers. IT’s a simply engine that can be incredibly deep, and it’s really easy for people to get into. Naturally games like Arcana Heart of the latest Anime figher isn’t going to be catching up. Simplicity is good.
The scene isn’t in bad shape because there are scrubs in it. News flash, back in the arcades days there were scrubs. at 31 years old, I am old enough to remember SF2 day one. Not everyone who played back then was a pioneer. Not everyone who played back then could do 1 frame reversals on the fly, and not everyone back then knew how to do CPS chains. For every Valle, Schaefer or Tomo there was the 1992 equivalent of a XBOX Live bum. In 2004 scrubs didn’t exist, and I’ll be honest there was no hype for the games back then. Sure I thought there was hype, but seeing what I see now, the hype in 2004 is laughable.
Don't shit on scrubs and try to make yourself out to be elitest. SFIV was a fine game, MVC3 is no more broken than MVC2 was. SFIV has good fudamentals and MVC3 has a lot of strategy involved that is still evolve and will more than likely evolve for a long time. I just get irritated at elitism, it helps no one, and definitely doesn't help the community.Sorry, actually, my “reply” button didn’t work, though I thought it did… Let me rewrite that post.
I think you’re just salty.
If this was directed towards me, then fuck off buddy. I’m not trying to be elitest, in fact, if you look at some of my posts, I do admit when I’m wrong.
I have zero problems with today’s games. They’re just video games. What I have a problem with is today’s players who go around making salty threads complaining about those things that vets like myself have been immersed in since the beginning. You said Justin made Marvel stale. I disagreed, since after Evo 2k3, Marvel got even more hype. It raised the bar. It made nothing stale. It sounds like all you’re doing is complaining that you could predict Evo 2k4… well, it’s not 2k4 anymore. The last 7 years since then, you haven’t been able to predict, even Marvel. You’re getting all mad because the beginning of the game was rough. 10 years later, not so much.
My honest opinion on this topic…
After 2k5, everything about fighters sucked ass. EDIT: Fuck that, everything about video games sucked ass.
1994 started the hype. Slowly after CvS2 died out, fighters died with it.
You can’t blame *one man *for this. If the community is split that badly, it has nothing but itself to blame.
Completely agreed. Just like trying to blame Justin for being too good at a fighter. It doesn’t make sense.
You make a lot of good points, but I feel that 2008 had its share of bad parts as well as good parts.
Good:
SF4, BBCT, T6:BR, VF5:R, etc. all come out (in arcades, at least)
Bad:
Evo 2008 in general
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[]HUGE dispute between SRK and Smash community over items
[]3S having 5 Chuns in the top 8
[]GGXXAC not in Evo; GG scene gets mad
[]Nobody caring about T5DR since T6.0 is out in arcades
[/LIST]
Not saying Evo 2008 was all bad, but yeah, it was all over the place.
The best years were from '91 - '01, i.e. from SF2 to CvS2 and everything in between (UMK3, Tekken Tag, KOF '98, and so forth).
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I think you read me wrong. Honestly my post wasn’t directed toward you particularly. As a matter of fact you’ve pretty much shyed away from the new game bashing. I don’t believe that you’re an elitest, but I do disagree with you on the state of Marvel in 2003 and 2004. Honestly, you may be more up than I am, since I personally don’t come from a big Marvel scene. I also had no interest in Marvel in 2003 or 2004. At that point I had never liked the game, and I was pretty much focused mainly on CVS2 (that was my favorite game at the time, what I played mostly in arcades). 2004, oddly enough got me into Marvel when I watched the top 8 Evo. I thought the game was really fun to watch, and I eventually started watching a lot of match vids in it. I’m not really wired for Marvel but I tried my hand in the Marvel competitive scene for years with less than stellar results.
I’m not mad at Justin for winning so many Evos. I honestly don’t blame him. But to me, it seemed like Justin was playing an entirely different game from 2000-2004. I mean don’t get me wrong 2004 was definitely a great year for Marvel, but I think it was starting to head towards it’s low point. If Justin Wong had won Evo in 2005, I really think the interest would have waned by 2006, and the game would have been dead by 2007. That’s my honest to God opinion. Justin Wong rarely lost a game in Marvel back in these days. He was that far ahead at that time.
I’m not sure if you remember, but back before Evo 2005 there was debate here on SRK about what console to run Marvel one. They had entertained the idea of running the PS2 version, but it was quickly bashed by players. I remember one player came up, named off some previous year statistics, and said it doesn’t matter what console it’s on, Justin Wong is going to win anyway. Honestly who could debate that at this time? No one could, and becaue no one could spells what was sure to be the start of a low morale for the competitive Marvel scene. I think 2004 was the worst year for Marvel and 2005 was the best year.
Oh, I agree that a lot of people were really low about the whole Wong thing. I trace it even further back, to that if Soo didn’t beat Wong into the ground in 2k3 Team Tournie, the game would never seen Evo 2k5. That year comes out of nowhere and was a huge turning point for Marvel since Wong lost. I think the hype started in 2k3 because that was the first time that Wong was able to show his human-side. He was smacked, and smacked HARD by some random WC player. There was even debate back then when he lost, with people saying “Oh he didn’t really lose, he threw the fight to please the crowd…”
Yeah, that’s when I came on board with SRK (albeit, I was going to Chinatown Fair frequently since the drop of Alpha 3), two months before that shit. I saw what Wong did to people from Preppy’s site. I was scared that this was the scene I’m getting involved in, and I had no motivation to be at the top of it. 2k3, he dominated. 2k4, he came close, and had Sanford not gotten in trouble for jumping a turnstile at the train station, he would have made Evo, and he was the number 1 contender to beat Wong. I believe he beat him at ECC that year? Or maybe that was 2k5. Yipes comes out of fucking nowhere and smacks EVERYBODY in 2k5…(except Duc lulz)
Anyway, my point is that Marvel almost went extinct on the tournie scene. It still had a lot of people hype that would never play Wong though, so it would have been an FFA frequent, of course and such… But as far as an Evo event, perhaps not… If nobody thought they could beat Wong, then they wouldn’t even have tried. After Yipes beat him and Sanford at ECC, he showed that he can be beat, and I think that’s the turn around and saved Marvel’s life.
As for why I think CvS2 was the last really good fighter was because of the scene that surrounded those games. As new fighters were introduced, a lot of the older crowd got really… I can’t even describe it… Koop mentioned in another thread that some vets of ST didn’t like HDR because since it was a new game that they had to relearn, they were getting smacked by new people (e.g. SnakeEyez). I think that’s what happened, and it sure as fuck happened to me. Evo 2k7 came, I was there, and I left Saturday night. I didn’t even care anymore… I got on my plane back to NY drunk and all… LMAO All these dudes playing random doujin fighters? The fuck was that all about? (BBB, AB, MB, etc.)
On top of that, I’m hanging out, and Orochi Zoolander is going around saying that in ST, Sagat’s j.lk has 9 frames of invincibility and takes half an hour to DP on a stick… but ST is his main game.
That for me topped the cake, and I said peace to the SF community.
I honestly think that Evo 2008 was probably the worst Evo ever. I can’t think of any Evo that had so little hype surrounding it (oddly it was one of the best trailers for Evo). And people forget from 2007 and 2008 Daigo had pretty much retired from fighting games. Hell I think it wa 2005, but he just showed up for 2006 to compete for fun (only reason I could think of). A lot of older top player like Valle and such were way out of practice. Also the 3s So Cal scene protested showing up to Evo due to it being on console. 3s and Evo were always at odds after the console 3s. So I agree 2008 was pretty bad and possibly the worst Evo I can think of. It also spelled the end of CVS2.
Yeah, this thread’s gonna end well.
It’s gonna turn into old SRK into new SRK, to which it will end in countless flaming until infractions are laid down and the thread is closed.