please elaborate. I don’t quite get this.
I just dont get why so many people were saying, “thered be no strategy! so this is a terrible idea!” there are always strategies in any type of fight, so just learn different ones.
On hindsight, as much as this is somewhat of an issue, IMO a bigger issue is folks within the FGC ignorantly shitting on other folks and other games within the community. I mean, how can we hope to appeal to the world at large when we have so many hard headed ignorant shits in our own backyard.
The biggest issue is that theyre video games on consoles. So people still think theyre kids things, especially older people who have money and run businesses and run the media. To these people theres no difference between kids playing and mashing buttons and never learning anything and a guy like Daigo. Going to PC isnt going to solve this, itll just cut out kids and young teens, the audience who will buy the games and get hooked in the first place. 
Professional gaming wont become a huge legitimate thing till people like us are running the world and the old people who didnt grow up playing games like these are gone. Parents dont want their kids playing games if it interferes with their school work, but theyll let their kids playing multiple sports because people can make money at that when theyre older if they practice when theyre young. Getting school leagues to play video games is going ot take a long time to do, especially in poorer areas.
It means specifically that fighting gamers created their scene through offline play while FPS and Starcraft people created theirs through online play. Fighting games are also one on one.
Which means that unlike those games, in order to continue playing a fighting game at the arcade you had to be one of the good guys. If you weren’t good you had to give up your turn because you had to win in order to stay on the machine. Which means people got pretty cutthroat and started to act dominant, swear out loud and generally have a mob like mentality around the arcades. It forced everyone to get better in order to play more often and of course with that came rather vulgar language and even physical fights.
The other games’ scenes started predominantly from games where you aren’t really facing the person one on one and can even be on a team. Especially these days, those games are regularly played online where you don’t have to worry about how big or small the guy you are playing against is, and there’s no real incentive to really get tough skin to stay playing the game like at an arcade. Which forces a much lighter personality and emphasis on leagues and becoming “professional”.
heh, you cant really compare the other scenes to the fighting game scene. To my knowledge most top Starcraft players are millionaires and the Halo championship grand prize is currently set at $200’000. That’s real pro gaming if you ask me.
DSP is an idiot. This is one of the reasons why the arcade scene is almost nonexistent outside of Asia. Who wants to be around a bunch or grown men who act like kids?
Swearing out loud and having a mob like mentality doesn’t make or force anyone to become a better player. The Japanese (and Korean) fighting game scene is the complete opposite to that and people wonder why they have better players.
If people prefer human interaction we don’t even need the arcade scene anymore because we have console tournaments and gatherings which are just as good if not better than the arcade experience.
Lag-less online play is the future of the fighting game scene imo…
^I know a few Japanese players would would contest that statement.
- You do need a tough skin to play fighting games, and u can’t be an impatient/short tempered type person.
- Parents encourage their kids to play multiple sports not for the one in a million chance they’ll make money eventually off of it, but cause physical exercise is healthy and good. U also learn discipline and how to work with others. Finally it looks good on college applications (if u play sports in high school).
- Video games are great, and definitely those that grew up with them won’t have as big a problem with their own kids playing 'em. At the same time with the obesity epidemic and all, encouraging outside play and sports will always be incredibly important. Hell if I’ll let my kids spend ALL their spare time staring at a screen playing video games.
- Lagless online is the future of America. Arcades are for the most part dead here, therefore it is a lot of inconvenience and effort to play a large amount of opponents offline other than entering tournaments. In Japan u can go into one of many arcades and find tons of people to play, it is easy to spend the majority of your playing time offline.
Most of us know great fighting game players who are impatient and short tempered… you don’t need thick skin to play fighting games.
In most actual sports, swearing at each other and generally being dicks to each other is just part of the game. Especially in football, basketball, soccer etc. The commentary isn’t censored, but a lot of them didn’t get to where they were by keeping soap in their mouths and never acting out. Just because Starcraft and Halo love the super censored professionalism that not even Tennis can always cater to, doesn’t mean every other scene should have or wants it either.
Agreed. I’ve always thought it was just misguided to try to emulate the suit and tie thing in video games. Established sports do that because that’s how to hook laundry detergent companies as sponsors. Most serious gamers are atheist stoners in their twenties, and it’s counter productive to try to match that demographic up with sponsors that have 1950’s values. We have the power to make them join our world, not vice versa.
lol, I still dont understand what your complaint is. So What exactly do they censor in Halo and StarCraft tournaments that they don’t in fighting game tournaments?
In Starcraft tournaments, players are not allowed to chat with each other in game except to say that they need to pause the game, or gg when they quit. The rule is probably there for collusion more than the family friendly appearance thing, but that’s something to consider.
It probably is to prevent collusion.
there’s nothing wrong with that rule. and it does make sense considering that we’ve had fighting game finalists who’ve colluded with each other to split the winning purse equally before the match even started. when there’s $200’000 or more on the line i’d expect a rule like that.
secondly when do we ever see fighting game tournaments when the finalists trash talk throughout the match? I’ve never seen that and i’ve watched plenty of matches.
What I like about the FGC is that anyone can play anyone. In Starcraft, top players are usually isolated from lower level players or the events are really tournmanets for top players only. This is a different way to do things but I love the fact I can stroll into the EG Room at an event, challenge JWong to a FT3 for $10 and then actually play him.
I’ve never seen a GF where players speak to each other during the match.
Are we gonna bring up all this collusion shit again?
Gotdammit, it doesn’t matter is players split the pot! Just make sure that grand finals aren’t a joke.
Agreeing to split the pot beforehand destroys the integrity of the game. It does become a joke rather than a serious contest.
Well, now theres more tournaments having collusion detection rules. So if people collude before the match, they should still try and put on a cool show at least and play hard so theyre not disqualified. I think the rule should have been around longer for some tournaments. Evo learned to have that pretty early on because of the Soul Calibur 04 grand finals. (does anyone have a video of that?)
The only real way to “stop collusion” and have “earnestly played” grand finals is to take money out of the equation; but, this is America so that won’t happen.
Try as hard as you might, you can change the rules of the event, but you can’t change the hearts and intents of the players.