You seem to naively believe that Dark Geese has more ideas for the community than the plethora of failures he has in store.
Show me anyone who’s trying to do more in the way of setting up actual events, gather KoF knowledge, and promoting SNK as a whole and I’ll change my mind. Oh wait…
Regardless, I’m not even sure why I’m arguing with such naive and simple-minded people, I give up. I doubt any of you will ever do anything more than sit behind your computers and bitch about what you don’t have and how your game doesn’t get the respect it deserves.
please dont vote for this game because you want to ‘support kof’ or ‘support snk’ because kof12 is good for neither
Of course we sit behind our computers, the greatest concentration of SNK players are on GGPO, while the most active community members don’t even bother with this subforum or DG and use #SNKPLAYMORE on efnet. In size SNK is small in the US but organization wise it is relatively easy to matchmake with GGPO and IRC. I’m not going to chase IRL comp. If you actually want SNK discussion and you actually want comp come to IRC. As far as I’m concerned you’re another casual SNK player or just a fanboy until you take shit seriously enough to get on and talk with all of us.
KOFXII isn’t the right game to be supporting since I don’t want to give SNK any good ideas to continue the bs they pulled with that game. Also worth saying that GGPO or online comp doesn’t mean shit because the people that spend money aren’t going to see all that comp. Do some steraming of GGPO tournaments to build up hype if you wanna stick to online play only, but that isn’t going to make the community any stronger if people aren’t going to actually show up. There’s no such word as Community for SNK Players.
There is top level play everyday on GGPO, just ask around in IRC for advice on who to watch. GGPO and streaming is so redundant. Just GGPO.
It’s incredibly hard to promote SNK in the US, and to be honest the IRC room is a the most successful (therefore the most correct thus far) step in the right direction. Tell me if more people are joining DG’s tourneys now than 4 years ago. We have about 27-30 regulars in the room. I think you can draw a conclusion from this on your own.
And there is community, you just aren’t taking part (I don’t see you in the room right now).
Sadly , I voted for KOF12 , But I really didnt vote for it just against 3rd Strike/MVC2/CvS2 who had there time 3s would be ok, and SC4 was a joke since this is SRK. I think if they put 98 as a option it might of had a chance. But looks like the a lot voted for Metly.
I said easier to grasp…
If thats the case then why are there so many people that find it hard to make a transition. You dont see Kof players saying its hard to play SF as much going from SF to kof.
What I wrote wasnt biased at all. I guess the personal opinion and experience didnt factor to anything…Wtf am I baised towards??
So Online is the only SNK community?
We shouldn’t try to get people playing and showing up at majors?
Which is the point I was making. While sure the “pros” will be playing online, its the scrubs, the newbies, and the converts that are gonna make the community grow. Telling people to go to GGPO or 2DF to watch matches isn’t going to build hype. A good stream channel with some commentary will. Look at the wonders it did for big conventions, to the point where even small regional tournaments are streaming their stuff cause people are gonna watch.
And I guess for the record, I was on the IRC for the majority of last year, and still show up every once in a while.
Unfortunately, we’ve got to start small; I’d rather see a dedicated dozen in each area actually coming out for ranbats and the like than another dozen, all sporadically picked from their respective lands, attempting dour plaisance at a venue which hardly knows they exist.
Small steps, you know?
How do you think the Melty Blood community got so big?
I would think KoF XII if it won (which would be a feat in and of itself) would probably hurt SNK more than anything in regards to EVO since you’d have effectively put one of SNK’s weaker offerings up and when it pulled poor numbers and people disliked it (heck even SNK fans are mixed on it) then you sort of seal SNK’s fate.
Just being there doesn’t make people suddenly like your game, it can surely get you exposure, but exposure didn’t get SCIV a free pass back to the tournament. If Melty can pull it off and get into EVO and that helps galvanize their scene, it would be a great model for how to go about growing the SNK scene.
I never said the current situation is ideal, but I simply don’t have a clear cut solution to the problem. I do think IRC / GGPO / 2DF / P2P Kailleria is a solution to players not getting exposure or people not having comp available.
I think that these same people you’re mentioning can also benefit greatly from GGPO. They can find both experienced and new competition there. People aren’t going to go to events for games they haven’t played, so GGPO is a great format for exposure because it doesn’t require an initial monetary investment, or have a considerable amount of both time and money sucked due to travel. I guess the key thing we should aim for is accessability, and streams do contribute to that. What I don’t get is how we have all these resources available but I see so many faces in this subforum that I’ve never seen online. When people aren’t going to utilize the easiest / laziest options I doubt they are going to show up to majors 
In the end I think a greater part of the problem is that it’s hard to find SNK players that aren’t casual.
I think we should decide on which SNK games to support. Id say we could do Garou, KOF 98 UM, KOF 2002 UM, NGBC (i still have faith in this game), and a Samurai Shodown (whichever 2D version, Id say 5 Special if people have plenty of NG to PS2 converters, otherwise…1 or 2? This would be up for serious debate. Oh yeah, 6 too!)
I think the community is mainly playing these already, so yes: I agree with one reservation. This one caveat being NGBCSince online is such a big component of SNK NGBC is a tougher game to push without have real life comp in your area. The UM’s have incarnations that would still help people understand the game with netplay.
Unfortunately, while those are all great games that deserve to be played seriously, that is still too many.
The USA community, even the online USA community, is too small for 5-6 games to be the “mains”.
Even with the Capcom community, you don’t have have more than 2 games taking the spotlight.
I mean, the Capcom equivalent of the split in the SNK community would be everybody spread out over SF4, 3S, Super Turbo, Marvel, CvS2, and Vampire Savior. Imagine if not everybody jumped on SF4, because they thought 3S better. Or if they were still only into the old-school ST. Or maybe if they didn’t like SF, only Vampire Savior.
This split does exist though (except there’s no VS scene). There are many people play 3s and ST/hdr who don’t play SF4. And remember, up until the sf4 fad hit, you had 3-4 capcom games at most tournaments.
This focus on “the SNK community plays too many games” is bogus. People should play the games that they like and inspire them to get better. The real problem is twofold for SNK in the US. First, with a few notable exceptions, SNK players lack the passion that players in the capcom scene do. I’m not talking about passion in the subjective sense, but in the sense that almost nobody organizes events for SNK games, or seriously tries to develop the skill level of SNK players. If you think about why the capcom scenes are as big as they are, its because back in the day people went out and held tournaments, and used the internet to “keep the fire going,” by sharing info with each other and organizing to build a community.
Why don’t SNK players (seemingly, from what I see on SRK) do this? Maybe they aren’t committed because they don’t believe the SNK games are worth all that effort, I don’t know. Not many people have time to get really good at multiple games, and when it comes to choosing one, it seems that people pick something else. I don’t blame anybody specifically for this: I like some SNK games, but realistically I have time only to try to improve my suckiness at one game, two at the most.
Which leads to the other problem: the sheep-like mentality of a lot of fighting game players. Instead of playing games that appeal to them, they play what’s popular. There’s no reason a lot of capcom fans shouldn’t at least try SNK games and see how they are, but for whatever reason there’s a lot of resistance to doing so, even though there are a lot of similarities.
Well, whatever you think of the scene…
-Just make sure we back games worth backing.