ESC Anime North Expo + Gaming Section info

I announced a few weeks back that we won’t be doing the Finals at Anime north

(Refer to this thread for more info)

But we will still be running an exhibition at the event aswell there will other games at the event.

This thread is just a run down on whats happening so people know.

For those of you who have never been to Anime North :

Registration information

The actual event will take place in :

Sheraton Toronto Airport Hotel
801 Dixon Road, Toronto,
ON M9W 1J5

Schedule:

Registration [ Golden Delicious room] : Friday 5:00 - 7:00 pm NOTE: There is a 64 Man Cap on this tournament

Tournament [Ambrosia 3-4] : Saturday 11:00 am - 7: 00 pm

LiveStream: Starts at 7:00 pm

Additional information

Addiontal games - I am in no way running these games but I thought I would mention them for people:
[LIST]
[]Tekken 6
[
]TVC
[]Naruto (not sure which version)
[
]Soul Calibur 4 (I think its on Xbox)
[]BlazeBlue
[
]Guilty Gear XX AC
[]Smash Bros Melee
[
]DDR [Full Arcade Machine]
[]HDR(run by Jed07)
[
]Super Smash Bros Brawl
[/LIST]

There are alot more than that, I would be here all night :confused:

whats the prize for sf4?

I still don’t know wtf is happening. No pre-registration? No SF4 prize?(is it a secret or something?)

The tournaments are usual just free entry and winner just gets bragging rights. Might pop by sunday if they run 3s and ggac

Accent core is on Saturday evening. 3S is on Sunday at the end of the con.

Don’t expect any worthwhile comp for 3S though, I’m serious.

Pre-reg? At Anime North? If only.

Y’see respectable ladies and gentlemen of SRK, this is how it works every year at AN.

Every year, the G3 Evolution crew (yeah, remember those guys? They’re still alive) try to get shit done properly.

However, the Con executives (OOOOOOOH LOOK AT ME! I’M AN EXECUTIVE OF AN ANIME CONVENTION! I MUST BE REAL SSHMART!) keep choosing to ignore us even though we know how to run the video gaming area more than they do because, y’know, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE. Every year they write these retarded ground rules and events and schedules that make zero sense. Yet they ignore our suggestions.

Principle reason why things are the way they are?

  1. Nobody competitive is going to spend $40 to go play at a tourney were the prize is, at best, some shitty anime paraphernalia that they’ll throw in the back of their closet and forget about.

  2. Those that do show up (who will be there by the way, to play solely for fun), provide ZERO FREAKING FEEDBACK. Which means whenever the G3 guys open their mouths in protest, we have absolutely no proof except our word which to the con staff basically translates to:“WE DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO ANY WORK AT THE CON, WE JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING FOR FREE LIKE THE GRIMEY SCUMMY DEGENS THAT WE ARE.”

So how is the con being handled? Not in any professional or organized way I can assure you. At least when it comes to competitive gaming.

Instead of giving every fucking fighting game under the sun a three hour tournament slot on the schedule, they could have instead, given the four most likely to be played games a 12 hour slot each. Six hours on Saturday, and six hours on Sunday. Or however long it takes to run pools and then the final bracket. Cuz implementing a 64 player cap for Smash Brawl and SUPER 4 when I, or rather WE ALL KNOW that they’ll both get many more players than that, turning away people who want to play at the same time, while allowing games to run with less than 8 people playing is a fucking travesty.

Now at around this time of the argument, I get the: “But Josh, this is an anime convention, people come just to play for fun, shmurf, giggle, smartass nosepick”.

Yeah, so what?

Yeah, they initially come for simple ‘fun’. However, when you guys go to a tournament, do you go for fun? Or do you go to take bitches money and WIN, another words play fighting games COMPETITIVELY? I take it it’s the latter.

Now why the hell would we do that? Who wants to travel long distances, pay a venue fee, pay a pot fee, get stuck in a room for hours with smelly degens and people you may or may not even like to be around, just to win a few measly dollars that you can get by doing legit work were you’re GUARANTEED to make at least $70 a day minimum wage?

Cuz it’s thrilling and we love it that’s why. The level of enjoyment to be had from progressing through a bracket, and the feeling of either winning or losing than watching the grand finals is WAAAAY more tangible, than messing around alongside a few scrubs, not learning anything, not growing as a player, not getting better and most certainly not enjoying yourself as much as you could be.

This is what those con execs and others don’t understand. The thing is, they’re robbing the con goers of the opportunity to catch a glimpse of a world where a lot more than simple ‘fun’ is possible. However, the masses don’t subscribe to that world. Instead, the masses wanna go OOOOOOH newfangled graphics and bewbs, YAY! In turn, the con execs cater to the gibbering masses, in the hopes of attracting more people and finally the…(shudder)… mass media. The same mass media, who also cater to the lowest common denominator, and give high ratings to the same pretty looking shit that’s churned out by game companies every year. That’s another problem for another rant that’s been covered by more capable people than me so I’ll just leave that topic out of this.

Now the con execs are interested in one thing and one thing alone. Numbers. More con goers equals more registrations equals more moneys. Also equals possibility of media coverage which in turn equals more con goers etc. They have their priorities straight.

If we could convince them (and by we I mean those that actually go to AN every year), that catering to competitive players would mean garnering better media coverage, we’d be set.

Oh and yes, turning AN into a semi regional (which it has every potential to become), would definitely attract more numbers.

How do we do that? Well for a start, create a two tier registration system, were regular con goers have access to the entire convention, and the video gamers have access to just the renaissance hotel where all the gaming takes place. I’m betting that most of you are not interested with anything but the gaming, and are willing to forgo the anime aspects of the convention. This way, the venue fee would be much more reasonable. Then of course you add on pot fees, because obviously, if you want to face good players, you must give the incentive of $$$. Period.

I realize that posting this before the convention starts comes with the risk of my glorious superiors finding it and booting me off the staff list. First of all I doubt it they care enough about the playerbase to actually look at these forums. Second, I don’t even give a shit whether or not I go this weekend. The schedule is one big mess and filled with events like: (and I shit you not) “Super Street Fighter 4 Barrel Break.”

Yup, three whole hours devoted to the barrel breaking stage in SUPER4. How that’s gonna work don’t ask me. Wasn’t my idea. Oh yeah and there’s also another 2 slots of three hours each devoted to the car destruction stage and ‘Rose ball’ w/e the hell that is. Pure Genius eh? There’s more, but I think I’ve made my point.

I digress.

You want to let Anime North rot and degenerate further every year, stay quiet. Otherwise, head on over to the Anime North forums, specifically the gaming section and sound off. There are alot of potential newbloods to be found there, you’d be unwise to ignore the vein of gold that is Anime North.

If prizes are decent I’m sure people would show up for the tournaments, but entry fee for AN just for street fighter isn’t worth it.

That was a beautiful rant:sad:.

an is getting shittier every year anyway.

We gotta do something about this for future years. Seriously. Ideas. I’ll go first.

What I’ll probably do is make up an email following the con that tastefully incorporates parts of Josh’s rant, plus my own observations. I’ll be sending it to various people in this list.

I could then post what I sent in this thread or in a new one or something and everyone else who was disappointed can do the same… or something.

Seriously. Ideas. Go.

EDIT: Hey Drekken, I’m looking at the program and it says “Naruto Accel 2” whatever that is. Now you know which version it is.

It’s too late for this year.

However next year is a different story.

i didnt read what he said but what he said…

i actually think drekken should just get like $200 dollars and get people to pay 1$ to try and beat a pro deal

I think people at an anime convention would go nuts

So is this a post made while blitzed or is it supposed to make sense?

I’d like to point out that Pownz has nothing to do with how the Convention is run.

Drekken is just running SUPER 4.

Ps2 version I think, they told me at the meeting but I will be honest I wasn’t paying attention.

This is a good idea, Will make it happen

This is true.

To truly understand what Josh is saying, you have to realize that the Gaming section at Anime North was a mistake plain an simple a “lets throw a bunch of consoles in a room and see what happens” and it exploded to the point it needs its own hotel. I have met the execs, and none of them are Video Game central … well they loosely affiliated but they are more Sci-Fi and Anime. Which means the Video Section is abdicated to someone else.

The growth is stiffled as it really isn’t a focus but its growth is to big to ignore so its accommedated. Changes that you wish to see Josh will only happen if one of the Organizers becomes an exec (unlikely) or the section breaks free of the con all together (more likely).

I would comment more but I have been privy to some of the inner workings on it, and I didn’t sign a NDA … but I doubt they would want me to talk about it. There are ALOT of politics and Drama in the organization… too much hoops to jump threw and WAY to much favoritism.

Anyways: Josh you have to keep in mind… business wise Competitive Gamers are a minority compared to the mass majority of casual ‘for fun’ gamers. in plain business sense… why would you chop your revenue down to 3/4 when you have 15,000 people already willing to pay 50 bucks for the weekend?? Doesn’t make sense financially… lets face it the community is fickle… but their community is financially dedicated. I won’t lie… I actually start saving for the next convention right after this one ends… no lie and I book my hotel a week after the convention ends. They FEED off that kind of dedication… a $10 venue few to them is not even an option when they got kids in droves willing to pay $50 and not even bat an eye.

Well, actually the Renaissance hotel is the location for all gaming related events but I see what you mean.

This I can totally believe.

G3 Evolution needs to graduate from Anime North real talk. Infinity hype was proof enough that they can run much better on their own. Nothing pleased me more to see Infinity hype turn out to be a success. I realize that G3 has it’s spiritual beginnings at AN. However it’s time to leave the nest and fly.

A two tier registration system wouldn’t change the current regime and effect the cons bottom line, except of course improve it.

The normal con goers will still come and pay their $40 fee and get access to the whole con.

The video gamers will pay a smaller fee and only be allowed access to the Renaissance hotel.

The only thing that changes, is that those of us who wouldn’t have gone anyway would now actually consider going. Thus Anime North makes more $$$.

At the staff meeting dinner I was at earlier in the week, they spoke about actually making money at anime north gaming. Not like that they won’t lol.

I honestly don’t care either way whether or not AN ever evolves. This is most definitely my last year going, and like you said Chris the only way for things to change, is either somebody gets promoted (unlikely), or we break away and take advantage of the dozens of other tournaments that happen every year now, (thanks to 4) that are infinity better.

Regarding the scheduling of fighting game tournies: it could be worse.

I’m looking at the schedule right now and apparently there’s a StarCraft tournament scheduled on Saturday… from 2 pm to 4 pm. Two hours: that should be enough time for a 4-, maybe 6-man tournament. :confused:

I doubt they’ll be able to enforce any fee’s at the hotel, unless they start badge checking. Usually the hotel is “free” to get into.

To be honest, the AN badge thing was a big deterrent in my decision not to go. I already had to pay for train and hotel, now I have to pay 40-50$ for a badge when all I want to attend is a few hours for the SFIV tournament? That’s balls.

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