If it was even meant to be a joke it’s not funny, because it doesn’t make any sense at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoE6MOZ4sEI
How is it not monkey style kung fu?
Stop being stupid bro. And oh wow a misspelling that makes the major fallacious statement you’re making suddenly right! I never knew!
Let’s go back to the tiers discussion or anything else. Geez
Capoeira incorporates aerobic motion and a fluid movement like a dance, with a healthy balance of both crouching and standing. None of that showcased in the video. Just some moron rolling around on all fours. Educate yourself on what the fuck Capoeira actually is. Also, I find it really ironic how you like to nick-pick at a typo while the rest of your post is butchered grammar. You have to be really dense not to catch how racist your post sounded when making that comparison.
Come on guise stop fighting. This thread is about Elena, the cute chocolate capoeria master that we all love. Lets get back on topic here.
elena top 30
confirm/deny?
I think she’s top 20 so I’ll confirm top 30.
Definitely top 44, probably right after 34
Lmfao.
I never said it was or wasn’t monkey style kung fu.
I said the obvious. which is that the uploader of the bloodsport video claims its monkey style.
which doesn’t make it fact since he, the uploader, has nothing to do with the damn movie!
are you all retarded or something?
pffft.
another genius here.
like, why do you insist I’m a racist?
how motherfucker?
you don’t see the similarity between the actor in the motherfuckin film crouching low bro?
you don’t see Elena crouching low?
lol, whats funny is that its you that’s completely racist and wanna imprint your racism onto others.
you sound like those facist-racist black comedians that constantly talk about race race race in their stand up then complain about racism in America being too strong.
stfu bro.
stop trying to imprint your perpetual nutty ideas about race on me.
I could care less about race.
yours, mine, or anyone elses.
I never even talk about race, ever…since I don’t even think about it to talk about it.
how dare you.
perhaps, the fact the actor happens to be black, portraying an African, and rolling around…combined with the uploader applying hip hop music and calling it monkey fighter or whatever…all of that somehow transfers into your puny mind as somehow stereotypical racism…
I used that vid clip cuz it was the only one I could find on youtube of the actor.
I had 0.0% control over the uploader’s choice in music or his titling it “monkey whatever bullshit”
I wasn’t even paying any attention to any extraneous bs about the vid since that’s not whats important.
the point I was trying to make by posting the vid was noting the similarities between homboy in the movie crouching low and his opponents whiffing and missing being able to hit him due to his crouch low stance and hits whiffing on Elena due to her crouch low stance and really low hurtbox.
like wtf mang,
am I getting trolled here?
I must be with these nutty, “youz a racist!” comebacks from yall.
anyway,
whatevz.
this is what happens when you play turd strike for too long.
it melts your brain.
p.s.
and I know what Capoeira is jackass.
don’t explain it to me.
I know what it looks like full damn well.
I’ve known about it since the early 90s, specifically 1992, when I practiced martial arts under a great shihan and actually incorporated some Capoeira techniques that I found useful into my own fighting techniques.
smh, these dumb mutherfu…
i’m outi
Again:
Yeah man much like you my opinion hasn’t changed of her. The only difference is I think she’s good while you think she’s bad.
Top 20? Absurd.
In no order particular order (just how I remember the roster):
Yun, Yang, E. Ryu, Dudley, C.Viper, Makoto, Ibuki, Ken, Bison, Rufus, Rose, Juri, Cammy, Fei Long, Adon, Balrog, Guy, Sakura, Oni, Ryu, Chun Li, Blanka, Vega,Akuma, Gouken, Sagat, Seth, Poison, Guile, Zangief, Decapre, Abel, T. Hawk, Cody, Hakan,.
That’s 35 characters that all have a more solid game plan than her (after that we make it to the point of consensus with her bottom 10 placement). Most of them either have a consistently favorable match up or consistent matchups, but with some polarizing matchups. She doesn’t even have tools close to what these characters have.
Top 20 lolol. Out of the new comers she’s 4th best (depending on who you ask they place Hugo or Rolento after her) and that’s probably because Hugo has a shit time vs zoners and Rolento’s defenses are butt. And I think Poison and Decapre have the most likely chance of being top 30 (probably top 25 imo for Poison).
After my sets with hmong boy it became more and more apparent that Elena sucks in this game from defensive red focus to a focus break that honestly kind of sucks, every character that plays whatever game she is trying to emulate has a better walkspeed, a better throw range, and better tools. She either has a really terrible low damage 12 frame overhead (useless outside of ending rounds) or a slow reactable 20 frame one. Instead of going middle of the road option. In fact, all of her tools are like that.
Top 20 lmfao. Jesus. At least now we know the source of your denial.
The characters I bolded I dont think they’re better than her. I’m sorry but I don’t recognize the name you just dropped.
You don’t think Balrog is better than Elena? I’m…Wow. You don’t think Sagat is better than Elena…? You don’t think Guile is better than Elena? You don’t think Poison is better than Elena? You don’t think Oni is better than Elena? How is Abel worse than Elena? FFS You don’t think Chun li is better than Elena??? I’m not even… Am I being trolled?
Edit:BALROG?! Really? Maybe you’re using the Japanese terminology. I see you must’ve meant Claw.
Characters with better pokes and a better walkspeed should almost automatically be considered better than her. Then you have the other characters with better rewards for simple stuff like correct reads.
Here’s a question how are they worse than Elena? More importantly how the hell is Balrog worse than Elena? Is that a typo?
It’s not just about walkspeed and pokes. That helps but it’s not the deciding. I think you’re bias against Elena. But it’s a combination of viewing her tools vs everyone else + Mu’s and ex ms
Cody is one of your bolded characters. I’m pretty sure in most matchups I would rather play Cody than Elena, and he’s lower on the tier list. He just has decent payoff for landing a hit, easy combos, good momentum building, and reliable tools. Enough said. He may not even be as viable as Elena at this point, but he feels like a solid character, whereas Elena does not.
Elena’s backward throw is one of the best in the game. Stop using forward throw.
Walk speed is above average. Dashes are among the best in the game.
Meaty f+MK is comboable, unreactable, and safe on block. Hardly “useless”.
I cringe every time someone complains in here. It’s like sitting in a room of 2009 James Chens.
“Cammy is simply too much work, it feels like. The worst thing about her is that she just has no good attacks.”
With regard to Balrog:
cr.LK goes under Dash Straight at most ranges. Buffer Lynx Tail for a knockdown.
It’s possible for Elena to get hit on certain frames, but the ratio is in her favour.
If he’s trying to annoy you with the tip of its range then you can use cr.MK buffered into EX MS in the same way. More risk, more reward.
In addition, Balrog can’t punish light Lynx Tail on block (unless you badly mess up the spacing, which gives him cr.LK xx Straight), so you can abuse the hell out of it to get him into the habit of blocking low.
Elena is roughly even with a lot of the characters in your list and solidly beats quite a few of them. Knowing the little details like the above is what swings things her way. Complain less. Study more.
Her walkspeed is not above average. Her walkspeed ranks 24 out of 44, but her backwalk speed is above average. Her F+MK is not comboable it is on CH and Meaty. At that point it is a 14-15 frame attack, which you can react to (even if it’s slightly difficult), but more importantly you don’t need to react to because her low game is not threatening and most of her options loses to focus. It also does 50 damage and outside of those cases she cannot combo.
It’s nothing like james chen. Cammy is a character that could’ve jumped freely had a bunch of buttons that were plus on block AND the fastest tier of walkspeed, who had 4 buttons alone that could decimate the opposition the slowest of which had a 6 frame startup. Elena is a character with slow ass normals (that you have to utilize) and okay normals which are all negative and lead to nothing because her oki is not great because her jump is bad (SHE CAN’T EVEN OS SWEEP IN NEUTRAL), okay walkspeed and okay buttons. Also wtf stop using forward throw? Do you just backthrow people out of the corner? Man so much misinformation and generally bad advice it’s disgusting.
You know what this actually reminds me of? When Dee Jay OCV’d a team at Canada cup and people flocked to the idea that Dee Jay wasn’t bad. Rather than the opposing team just got outplayed and they didn’t know the matchup.
I cringe every time I see an unrealistic claim like Elena is top 20. I but I discuss it (harshly or not). If you don’t want to read a discussion about Elena then why do you read this thread? If you want only positive information there’s the video thread and the combo thread.
Dude. Do you understand how tier lists work? I’m not saying those are matchups that Elena loses. I’m saying those are characters with a better tier positions, purely because their matchups are better than hers. And their tools which are similar to Elena’s are more consistent than Elena’s, by that virtue alone they play her game better.
And who does she beat outside of Cody (which is debatable) and Gouken on that list. I’d love to know. If you say C.Viper I’m not even going to entertain this discussion.
Instead of eagerly trying to correct what I’m saying because you write it off as a complaint. Please actually read what I’m saying. I didn’t ask how is the Balrog matchup up not in Elena’s favor. I asked how is he a worse character. As in Dee Jay is bad because his tools are weak. How are Balrog’s tools weaker than Elena’s? How is his tier position lower than her’s?
But hey, maybe everyone except for prof, legendary and yourself are wrong. Let’s see this mystical top 20 Elena that both you and Almostlegendary possess upload convincing matches of you guys doing well against someone who knows how to play Elena.
By the way Cr.HK punishes lynx easy B-linking makes it basically a 2 frame punish btw. Most certainly balrog a character with some of the weirdest reeling animations (especially on wake up) is definitely a character that solidly loses to Elena who causes reeling animations with hitboxes that don’t back it up. I can’t possibly imagine what can go wrong here.
Knowing the little details like the above is what costs her in the long run. Less theory and more pragmaticism will do wonders for you. But please tell me more.
I’m saying she has better mu than them she has extremely strong tools and ex ms sets her apart. GTFO with that I’m not entertaining the discussion she does beat cviper.
No. No she does not.